I picked up a pair of Wrangler rip-stop cargo pants from Wal-mart a couple of weeks ago. These come in waist x length size not just S, M, L. These are the most comfortable non-jean pans I've tried on in a long time. They are fairly light weight, which should suit me fine down here in TX. The waist seems to run slightly large, which is great for CHL. The length is just right. I'm pretty happy for $20. I tried twice to find a size from LAPG that fit me well, but I guess I'm just between their sizes. I'm normally a 34x34. Reviews on those said to order on size big, but the 36's were way too big waist to crotch, and the 34's were too tight on me.