The most expensive overlander?!

Victorian

Approved Vendor : Total Composites
As I've mentioned in other threads, the Maximog has never been used in any expedition travel. The owner thinks it's some sort of "accomplishment" and has had it exhibited in museums (?!?).
The wisdom of removing a Mercedes 366LA diesel and replacing it with a 350 gas V8 escapes me. It merely proves the owner did not have serious use/int'l travel in mind.
Ditto the chromed jerrycans, chromed shackles and shiny low-set running boards.
He wanted and purchased a mall-cruiser.

Charlie

You are right. We shipped it to the Museum of Modern Art in New York....
As for the usefulness: Having an underwater chainsaw with you, radar and infrared cameras on your truck will make it very special :elkgrin:
 

Lynn

Expedition Leader
You are right. We shipped it to the Museum of Modern Art in New York....
As for the usefulness: Having an underwater chainsaw with you, radar and infrared cameras on your truck will make it very special :elkgrin:

I mentioned on another thread, but just have to say it again:

If he dares take a truck containing more high-tech espionage gear than most countries, into most countries, is he going to be surprised if it gets confiscated?
 

Victorian

Approved Vendor : Total Composites
I mentioned on another thread, but just have to say it again:

If he dares take a truck containing more high-tech espionage gear than most countries, into most countries, is he going to be surprised if it gets confiscated?

Don't worry, he wont... it doesn't run :bike_rider:
 

skysix

Adventurer
As for the usefulness: Having an underwater chainsaw with you, radar and infrared cameras on your truck will make it very special :elkgrin:

We used to have a hydraulic chainsaw on our SEV (Canadian army special engineering vehicle) along with a bunch of other toys - being able to go 100+ feet away from your truck and clear underwater obstacles without using explosive cutting charges can be useful, a diesel idling is a lot less attention getting - if you are into that sort of thing!

Where they were the most useful however was as disaster relief trucks. Go anywhere (-ish, AMG chassis is not as versatile as a TATRA or MAN KAT) and with the people, manual/air/electric and hydraulic tools and supplies for almost anything from heavy rescue to roadbuilding.
 

skysix

Adventurer
scotts comment about the size is a good argument, too - but then again, many trails i've been on anything bigger than a common SUV-sized 4x4 wouldn't work.

With a rigid frame Tatra (813 or 815) or MAN Kat (A1 or A2) you can build a pretty comfortable RV - yet still put it through areas many smaller 4x4's can't go. From what I've seen on the Unicat site, a elevating roof model with a slightly lower profile (like a supersized (25' long) and updated non-cabover Alcan) would easily survive the abuse...

As to trail size - yeah hard rock overheads and trees bigger than 6" or so will be a problem, but look at some of the terrain they put these rigs through in the European Truck Trials. Driver (and spotter) skill/confidence (and traction) matters more than anything else. There are even starting to be 6x6x6's and possibly 8x8x8's (with rear steering instead of 6x6x2 and 8x8x4) which will drastically reduce the tight turn vs large turn radius issue.

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On that note - how come we don't see any of the Oshkosh or AM General trucks represented? The odd Gamma Goat is all I've seen, none of the later US Army models (although many Zils and Urals compete).
 
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Harald Hansen

Explorer
You don't see American trucks competing in Europe for much the same reasons you don't get Tatras and ZiLs competing in the US; price and availability.
 
I know only two truck series that don't have a twisting/bending frame:
- MAN KAT and its successors
- Tatra trucks

The MAN SX has a fully boxed, more or less rigid frame. The 2 "lesser" versions (FX and LX?) have a twisty open frame; one has the military body, the other has the civil type body with various military changes.
The SX comes only with a ZF automatic and coil springs; the other versions come with leaf springs and can be obtained with manual transmission and optional WSK torque converter.

Charlie
 

T.Low

Expedition Leader
You don't see American trucks competing in Europe for much the same reasons you don't get Tatras and ZiLs competing in the US; price and availability.


We were just discussing a similar question: Why does KTM win the Dakar (while Honda doesn't seem to even enter) all the time and Honda wins the Baja (while KTM doesn't seem to enter)?

Nobody in Europe buys Honda XR's...but personally I ride with more KTM's than Hondas.
 

PeterM

New member
Scam, Iveco (similar, same manufacturer): Low torsional stabilty
Bremach: high torsional stability (using a closed tube & welded "U"-beam

Regards, Peter
 
Example of a nice Man Kat camper seen in Libya, owned by a Spanish /German guy who's organising some motorbike trips around the world


Man Kat's are common here in Europe , not to expensive , not to old , not quit comfortoble and not very fuel economic but the owners loves them
 

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addicted56

Adventurer
Not sure I agree - here's a pic of a Unicat on an offcamber switchback,

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and another showing the testing before sale. Having all the water/waste tanks and batteries/generator etc low is essential.

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Note the lack of a safety strap to prevent rolling off the tilt table - they must have been pretty confident it would pass - given that it is a customers undelivered / unpaidfor rig!

One of my first posts on here and this is an amazing picture. But when was the last time you used a hydraulic lift to slowly lift your vehicle. What I really want to see is a graph discusing dynamic rollover and CG limits with different loading arrangments.

Again in the end very impressive but not very helpful as it does not apply to real world "driving" conditions.

Better then a safety strap. They are using the shop crane to keep it from rolling over (at least it appears that way).

Sure beats cramming in my Land Cruiser for those uber long trips though.
 

evilram

New member
One of my first posts on here and this is an amazing picture. But when was the last time you used a hydraulic lift to slowly lift your vehicle. What I really want to see is a graph discusing dynamic rollover and CG limits with different loading arrangments.

Again in the end very impressive but not very helpful as it does not apply to real world "driving" conditions.

Better then a safety strap. They are using the shop crane to keep it from rolling over (at least it appears that way).

Sure beats cramming in my Land Cruiser for those uber long trips though.

Holy crap.. That is crazines right there.
 

SkiFreak

Crazy Person
In my opinion, knowing the static angle that the vehicle can be tipped to before falling over is very valid.
If you have no idea about this then you are basically flying blind. Knowing how far it can go, in ideal conditions, gives you "limits".
 

landy89

Observer
regarding expensive overland rigs...i have seen a lot of them on the road and that is where they stay, on the pavement. The problem is the weight; as soon as they are driven into soft off road conditions, they sink, are stuck and only a bull dozer can pull them out. The 4x4 capabilities of these rigs is completely useless. If a road, route, piste is hard enough to not sink in, then even a standard motorhome can drive on it. I have seen the entire range of vehicles travelling around south america (bermach, Unimog, MAN, Fiat Ducato, LandCruiser, Defender, regular large motorhomes, Citroen 2V, Mazda pickups, etc.) Almost everyone of these vehicles must stay and does stay on pavement roads. The only vehicles which are capable of going "in the jungle" or wherever else the road is full of sinkholes are light vehicles like Defenders, Toyota Hilux or pickups. Even the mighty landcruiser is a little too heavy for some of these conditions (i have pulled out many a landcruiser with my Defender). So the decision to buy a big rig or not depends on if you want to leave the pavement or not. And when you leave the pavement, it is inevitable that you will hit a soft patch at some point. So stay on the pavement and you can drive anything you want including the longest 2wd motorhomes. Go off the pavement and you will be wishing that you had bought a light vehicle instead. Another point to remember is that the more outlandish your vehicle is (MAN or whatever), the higher chance of robberies. You look like you have money. I drive around in a old defender that looks worse than most of the local vehicles, even though under the skin it is a new machine. I have never been robbed or had any problems. another thing to think about is water: when you have a large machine with 500L or more fresh water capacity, no one will let you fill up the tank at their campground, service station or whatever. Water costs money and you are taking way too much. furthermore, with a large rig it is impossible to enter towns or cities and you must find secure parking outside of the town; lots of fun when you need to find someone to change your oil, or you want to buy food, or someone to wash your dirty clothes...Lastly, i have seen many big rigs stranded for months waiting for some special part to be shipped in from Germany or wherever. It may just be a little thing, but it doesn't matter as every single part on the machine is unavailable locally. You had better have very good local language skills, patience, lots of cash money for bribes and import fees.

a little story for you: i was driving on a small hard packed but unpaved road in south america. As is very common, it was very narrow most of time (one vehicle) and it was very isolated with no places to turn around or branch off onto another road. along the road i met a MAN driven by rich guy trying to 'test' his machine....i told him what a beautiful machine he had, but i never bothered to tell him that 100kms ahead was a hand cut tunnel that was less than 2 yards wide and 2.5 yards tall. I never bothered to tell him because it is the kind of information that is not at top of mind for me - i simply didn't realize it at the time that he could not go there.
 
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