The OFFICIAL Overland Expo EAST 2014 Thread!

cosmic88

Observationalist
Ok, just received an email from OE. Charcoal is definitely not an option.

So to clarify, There is no fire allowed for amusement or cooking unless it is gas / LP? No charcoal grills, no wood even if off the ground in a raised pit or tabletop grill?

As I wish to enjoy my time at this "show" I'll refrain from making disparaging comments about such restrictions. I'll save them for when I'm standing around someone else's perfectly built, expo-safe camp fire.
 

ab1985

Explorer
Looking at pictures of the ranch, I can understand why the owners would want to avoid people creating little fire pits everywhere. Agree it's an inconvenience, but I get it.
 

cosmic88

Observationalist
meh

I agree with protecting the venue and I understand not allowing for 200 plus open pit fires all over the place. I was simply thinking elevated grill devices would be acceptable and low impact. Lower impact than the +1000 off-road monsters which will be parked on this lovely Ranch. I hope everyone takes their 90wt, ATF, 5w 40, and other assorted fluids with them upon departure?
:costumed-smiley-007
Good thing my Rover doesn't leak (m)any fluids...

not thinking about it anymore and it is not a big deal... it's just a rule right. Can I cook with road flares? :coffeedrink:
 

coop74

Old Camping Dude
So to clarify, There is no fire allowed for amusement or cooking unless it is gas / LP? No charcoal grills, no wood even if off the ground in a raised pit or tabletop grill?

As I wish to enjoy my time at this "show" I'll refrain from making disparaging comments about such restrictions. I'll save them for when I'm standing around someone else's perfectly built, expo-safe camp fire.

I too cook using Dutch ovens when camping. My fire does not touch the turf, as I use a standing rack.

I think they are discriminating against the Dutch. 😱

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Jonathan Hanson

Well-known member
So to clarify, There is no fire allowed for amusement or cooking unless it is gas / LP? No charcoal grills, no wood even if off the ground in a raised pit or tabletop grill? As I wish to enjoy my time at this "show" I'll refrain from making disparaging comments about such restrictions. I'll save them for when I'm standing around someone else's perfectly built, expo-safe camp fire. I agree with protecting the venue and I understand not allowing for 200 plus open pit fires all over the place. I was simply thinking elevated grill devices would be acceptable and low impact. Lower impact than the +1000 off-road monsters which will be parked on this lovely Ranch. I hope everyone takes their 90wt, ATF, 5w 40, and other assorted fluids with them upon departure?

The rules for our "show" come from Taylor Ranch, and we respect their concern regarding the fine condition of the grassland on their property, especially during October which statistically should be a dry period. They have graciously offered to build and maintain two or three group fires for us, and also agreed to allow propane grills and campfires-in-cans. Their concern regarding wood and charcoal fires is well-grounded, given that sparks from either can ignite grass whether they come from ground level or the top of a table. The results could be much worse than a puddle of transmission fluid.

I'm sure at some point either Roseann or I, or Ashley or Billy from Taylor Ranch, will be standing around one of the approved expo-safe fires. You're absolutely welcome to offer us disparaging remarks then; no need to burden your fellow campers with them!
 

cosmic88

Observationalist
Delicate sensitivities aside, I can certainly imagine how you are being inundated with FAQ's and grumblings from many sides. I used to produce full-blown concerts, outdoor festivals, etc. 23,000 ish in attendance was my largest event (4th of July concert). I am not trying to poop on your parade and would certainly have lent a hand in logistics and planning were it not for a rather all-consuming fulltime job I am currently saddled with.

My lighthearted, yet poignant sarcasm and cajoling seems to have touched a nerve and I must admit I fully understand (remember from personal past) why you appear to have taken my comments to heart. I probably would have as well while in event countdown mode, as you currently are. I will note, however, that the rules concerning certain types of approved cooking methods (heat sources) should have been a bit more clearly defined. Campfire in a can is? A Kelly Kettle or something homeless folks stand around in movies? :)

See you at the safety circle... Or come find me and give me grief... it'll be the green and white Disco with absorbent matting underneath, and a surface boom to contain the discharge of the LR Valdez. Or find the guy cooking free breakfast for 40 Rover heads. I'll save you a piece of bacon cooked over the warm flame of a road flare.
 
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cosmic88

Observationalist
I am very angry about that.
:)
In that case, sarcasm is Truth's dull edge, where Wit is its scalpel. Were I to use the wit in my arsenal, someone might cry. See y'all at the fire.
 

Jonathan Hanson

Well-known member
Thanks for the second comment, Cosmo. No delicate sensibilities here, but I do need to state our rules in no uncertain terms based on our experiences at the west show, when, despite our warnings, red-flag notices from the U.S. Forest Service, and the threat of jail time, we consistently find a few people building campfires (carefully blocked from view, which makes protestations of ignorance difficult to accept). I just think fire is nothing to mess with, so I don't in my replies either. We're hoping the Taylor Ranch site works out for us, them, and our attendees, and it would be sad if one selfish person wrecked it all by igniting a grass fire.

"Campfire in a Can" is a popular propane fire gizmo. It's a poor substitute for woodsmoke, but better than nothing.

The FAQ on the Overland Expo site seems clear to me:

There will be several designated fire pits run by Taylor Ranch, but otherwise no personal campfires (wood or charcoal) due to the proximity of other farms and houses and the fire danger. Propane is allowed.

So, no wood or charcoal fires. If "campfires" somehow introduced ambiguity into the statement, I'll just clarify here by stating that no wood or charcoal fires are allowed, period. Please join us at one of the fires maintained by the ranch; I think those will be great places to meet and chat.
 

cosmic88

Observationalist
As much as I tried to find a tiny gap in your meaning just now, I must admit I cannot. Clear message received. Do you still want that piece of bacon?
 

dvsjw

Observer
BS is the only thing that can ruin bacon... :)

We will leave the the Outback Station and her newly purchased cast iron at home. Plan B on cooking...

We are truly looking forward to the event and will enjoy the opportunity to see the sights.
 
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coop74

Old Camping Dude
BS is the only thing that can ruin bacon... :)

We will leave the the Outback Station and her newly purchased cast iron at home. Plan B on cooking...

We are truly looking forward to the event and will enjoy the opportunity to see the sights.

You still can cook with cast iron on a propane heat source.

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