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[plumber mike]

Are you really claiming that a base work truck model is representative of the average nicely equipped daily driver? Ok then...


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I think the work trucks of today come loaded out as compared to days gone by. My stripped ram has power window and locks. AC and cruise. Some junk on the radio that’ll let you use a phone/music/satellite/ whatever it does. It’s got more stuff than I want or need. So what does nicely equipped these days get me? My balls tickled and climate controlled? More buttons that I’ll never use. A map in the radio? More beeping at me?
They all come nicely equipped anymore IMO

 

[jgallo1]

what do y'all think a 2002 v4 4x4 double cab taco, factory locker, 126k. old man emu suspension, warn winch, apple carplay, in good condition is worth?

 

[Bayou Boy]

I think the work trucks of today come loaded out as compared to days gone by. My stripped ram has power window and locks. AC and cruise. Some junk on the radio that’ll let you use a phone/music/satellite/ whatever it does. It’s got more stuff than I want or need. So what does nicely equipped these days get me? My balls tickled and climate controlled? More buttons that I’ll never use. A map in the radio? More beeping at me?
They all come nicely equipped anymore IMO

Work trucks are significantly lighter than more well equipped trucks. The seats are totally different too. Thus, they will ride like crap. You guys can assume all day long but that doesn’t make it so. You couldn’t pay me to take an empty WT 2500 on the highway all day. I have no issue driving my Longhorn for 12 hours a day. Same thing with my 2014 Laramie. Maybe you guys have sensitive butts. I don’t know. My truck is super comfy and my wife thinks so too. I get the same feedback from guys that own current gen Platinum F150s. They can’t believe how good it rides.

Half tons bottom out the front suspension on interstate bridge approaches around here. Have fun with that.


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[Deleted member 9101]

1st gens are cool. But they still had issues (frame rust, suspension). Good engines (4.7). Cruddy MPG, but that's all Toyota's.

They need a timing belt changed every 90k, have no low end grunt, laughable brakes, and suck a lot of fuel with out making all that much power. Toyota blessed them with a rather anemic 4 speed tranny and the 5 speed wasn't much better. Towing wasn't fun, the motor has to rev to make power, so 4th gear was not an option when towing a travel trailer. In places where my Tundra was screaming to do 55 up a hill, my F150 runs 75 with little to no effort.

While I enjoyed all 258k that I put on my 2002 Tundra, when compared to a slightly newer truck, it doesn't have much to offer.

With the above in mind, mine was damn reliable. Only broke down once in a quarter million miles.

The problem comes when you buy the 15 year old Tundra and then dump thousands into it...only to have it preform as good as a stock truck that's a few years newer.

 

[Martinjmpr]

what do y'all think a 2002 v4 4x4 double cab taco, factory locker, 126k. old man emu suspension, warn winch, apple carplay, in good condition is worth?

Somebody chop two cylinders off the block?

 

[Deleted member 9101]

I think it will be more than the 2018 update. I'm imaging it will be like comparing an '08 truck to an '09.

Ford is talking about having a Hybrid and electric F150 out for 2021. Time will tell I guess.

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IIRC, one came with the 5.4 and the other the 5.0? The 5.0 is a massive improvement over the old 5.4...lol.

 

[AbleGuy]

what do y'all think a 2002 v4 4x4 double cab taco, factory locker, 126k. old man emu suspension, warn winch, apple carplay, in good condition is worth?

Wait...is that with, or without, the ball tickler ? ? plumber mike was talking about?

 

[plumber mike]

Wait...is that with, or without, the ball tickler ? ? plumber mike was talking about?

The aftermarket probably has something to give it that personal touch;-)

 

[AbleGuy]

The aftermarket probably has something to give it that personal touch;-)

Hmmmm, maybe like the new app for your smartphone that lets you leave the ‘vibrate’ function running uninterruptedly?

And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming....

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

That was a nice brown color! Ford used to offer a nice cariboo color but dropped it at some point. 2018 maybe? I think the '19 new style Rams had a nice brown pearl too but, I think it';s been dropped for 2020...

Anymore it seems you can get any color you want as long as it is gray, red or blue from Ford. Makes for fun color options!

 

[jgallo1]

They need a timing belt changed every 90k, have no low end grunt, laughable brakes, and suck a lot of fuel with out making all that much power. Toyota blessed them with a rather anemic 4 speed tranny and the 5 speed wasn't much better. Towing wasn't fun, the motor has to rev to make power, so 4th gear was not an option when towing a travel trailer. In places where my Tundra was screaming to do 55 up a hill, my F150 runs 75 with little to no effort.

While I enjoyed all 258k that I put on my 2002 Tundra, when compared to a slightly newer truck, it doesn't have much to offer.

With the above in mind, mine was damn reliable. Only broke down once in a quarter million miles.

The problem comes when you buy the 15 year old Tundra and then dump thousands into it...only to have it preform as good as a stock truck that's a few years newer.

Just to be clear I am talking about 2012 + tundras

 

[kodiak-black]

Had a 1999 Tacoma, leveled, etc. It got like 17 mpg. I can't remember the payload, but once loaded MPG dropped to about 15. Good truck. Never an issue.

Then got a 2013 F150, 5.0 V8, with a 1649 lb. payload, I had some tires on it and a level kit. Nothing over the top. Never got better than 13-14 combined MPG, at best it got 16 on the freeway. Good truck never had an issue. Bought an Outfitter pop-up truck camper and it was over the payload. We also have a travel trailer which it towed fairly well, not great but it was very doable.

8 months ago I bought a 2018 Ram 3500 CTD with the AISIN tranny. I skipped the whole 3/4 deal altogether. It also has a level kit. it gets 15-16 MPG combined and I've seen as high as 18-19 on the freeway. The payload is 3700 lbs. It rides like a truck, it's comfortable and has power and torque to spare.

Fuel is basically a wash as diesel often costs more. The point is that all 3 trucks got basically the same mileage. Totally negligible.

My takeaway is that it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

 

[RAM5500 CAMPERTHING]

Look at it like this...

What is the CLASSIFIEDS section on here filled with? Mini Tacos and Such...

Lots of folks start small, and think it will be enough, and then sell to go bigger. I personally know dozens that have done this.

The "Full size trucks cant get to where i go" line is a bunch of Malarky and i had my Tundra anywhere anyone put anything.

For this hobby/lifestyle, fullsize is where its at and more and more folks are realizing that, hence the flood of Tacos and 4Runners for sale in the classifieds section

That's my .02

 

[tennesseewj]

I like the 1st gen Tundras a lot. The supersized 2007+ Tundras never impressed me that much and still don't.

It seems odd to me that Toyota hasn't made any major changes in the Tundra since '07 and the 4runner since '10.

I rode in a 2019 Tundra TRD Pro recently and I would have to disagree that no advancements have been made since 07. The suspension and interior have both benefited from new technology and upgrades. Not to mention the 2015+ face is way easier on the eyes.

The new Tundras aren't packed to the gills with cutting edge tech, but they seem to have the important value added features. Navigation, Bluetooth, and blind spot monitoring, for example, are relatively useful features. 72 position power seats with auto-magic folding mirrors and digital rear view mirrors found on other manufacturers fancy trim levels just seem like tech for the sake of tech and don't add that much value.

Outside of the Ecoboost (which is awesome but no other manufacturer competes with), does your new F-150 have any important features that can't be had on a Tundra?

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[tennesseewj]

I have owned the 1st gen 2000-2006. They are are a great truck. For me , I am interested in a truck that is in the 5-10 yr range not the 15-20.

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I definitely understand where you're coming from on this. I like my first gen Tundra a lot but it's a 13 year old truck. There are a lot of differences between driving a 10+ year old truck vs. a 5 year old truck, and not all of them are good.

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