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I still didn't see you refute a single thing he said with logic or facts; just more name calling. It's clear that LR did nothing special with this car. It's an extension of the Discovery, a fine car, but nothing special and certainly not anything like what could have been with the Ineos- which...

Ford just trounced the Defender- this is what a redone icon should look like-

I agree- I think it's basically an LR5- nothing wrong per se with that. It's an ok vehicle, but it's not what it could and should have been in my opinion. A look around the forum's and there's a lot who agree. I think it's disappointing that LR didn't do something that would really capture your...

Basically this entire thread up to this point could be summed up with Andrew's new video about the Defender vs the Grenadier

https://www.motor1.com/news/424754/jeep-wrangler-land-rover-defender/ You wouldn't be the first to observe that the Wrangler is the only one left to carry on the Original Defender Heritage The consensus seems to be that the new "Defender" is no where close to carrying on that legacy...

So, my question to all of my Land Rover loving friends on here (@Victory_Overland @Blaise @DieselRanger @Corgi_express) is this. ..... Why didn't LR build the Grenadier? Is it crash test, emissions etc...? Are the people who'd buy this just not LRs market? If this promises to be what it...

Yeah, it's CGI, but it's still kinda cool- can't wait to see the real thing!

Video of it off-road starts at minute 2:56

I bet more than 5% will see the trails, but I definitely see your point! :)

It's high times for those of us interested in adventure travel- I love that Ford is directly tying the new Bronco to the old Bronco- none of Gerry's "time to move on" garbage

It's like they took the suspension of the Wrangler, 2/3rds of the OG Defender Design with a few G-Wagon cues and put it all together- it's beautiful to me!

I was wondering how Ineos was able to copy so much of the original Defender. Turns out LR never patented the original design of the Defender. When they found out what Ineos was doing, they tried and a judge shot them down saying that by that time it wasn't unique enough from other boxy SUVs...

"Number one focus was off-road mobility and capability" "There are two engines, a petrol and a diesel, both 3.0-litre straight-sixes from BMW. Smartly, Ineos has a deal that covers the next generation of engines as well. Transmissions are from ZF, axles from tractor-makers Carraro, and a lot...

Box Ladder Frame and Solid Axles- gasp, let me clutch my pearls... https://ineosgrenadier.com/reveal/frame-axles

https://ineosgrenadier.com/reveal/exterior-design This is how the designer of a 4x4 should talk- not about esoteric design principles that really only resonate with some smug instagram crowd in Los Angeles and London. "No clever hiding of pillars" just a straightforward design- you wonder if...

No ridiculous Angry Eyes here....just linear glory!

What the Defender should have been- How can any of you look at this thing and not think this should have been the Defender! https://www.autoblog.com/2020/06/30/ineos-grenadier-4x4-revealed/ "the Grenadier is clearly not intended to be co-opted by soccer moms, like all the Rovers and G-Wagens...

At the risk of being accused of beating a dead horse I'll summarize the facts one more time for @Victory_Overland- - Stating that LR has less dealerships than Jeep is not an opinion- it's a fact - Stating that comparably equipped Defenders are more expensive in their MSRP than a comparable...

As the Grenadier and the Bronco come onto the seen there will be new comparisons. If LR does an SVO Defender.... I wonder how much of this sensitivity, sometimes overreaction, from the LR faithful of legitimate criticism has to do with seeing the world as they know it change? Overlanding is...