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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    I was referring to same time in life cycle as the comparison. Sales crashed during the economic recession of 2008 that began in 2007. Are you surprised? They slowly recovered which was more of an observation on the state of the US and global economy than the LR3/4. For the last 4 months D5 sales...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    - Jeeps are not "Heaps". - LR's are not "always parked at junk yard or mechanic shop." - Regulators do care if a market succeeds. Over regulation means their job is gone and/or they are. - 25 years after the first Discovery the D5 is selling at 6800 per year, The D3 at 8000 per year at the same...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    My LR's have been very reliable and yes, they are safer than a Jeep Wrangler. I also have a couple of convertibles. The ranking of safety (low or high) is not about Jeep or Land Rover. It is about regulation and what the consumer wants vs regulation. Welcome to the 70's when convertibles were...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    Jeep passes the needed safety test AND sells many more. That is a design and marketing success. If they went the jelly-bean route it would kill sales and people would just go elsewhere or stay with current product on the streets. Regulation could force the safest vehicle in the world but no one...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    JLR is still losing money and Tata Motors is also under financial stress. Companies are in business to make money. ".........Tata Motors share price has lost 51.96% during the last one year and fallen 30% since the beginning of this year.........."
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    Reality. JLR needs to turn it around or Tata will be selling them off. Period.
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    Thanks for the work! I figured the answer was somewhere in between. Agreed modern turbochargers are well advanced and the days of very large displacement engines is over. But .... 2.0L is too small for towing at altitude and while you will not be crawling you will be the driver who gets glares...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    - As long as the overall market appeal is not violated NCAP 'might' be able to be increased. I suspect the overall design, which is a positive selling point, would need to be changed and that is not an option for a vehicle selling 23,000 per month. - The D5 also lost some of the LR attributes...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    Yes and no. Total pressure seen in a cylinder is compression ratio + boost, both over atmospheric pressure. Without variable vane the total boost is over the atmospheric pressure which is -20% at 6,000 ft. With variable vane the turbo can be spun faster to somewhat compensate for altitude (MAF...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    Every design is a list of compromises and trade-offs. Jeep has stayed true to the buyer's use cases which includes no doors, convertible and bikinis. How many Jeeps are sold vs how many D5's? In the US market an average of 23,000 Jeep Wrangler's are sold each month. Land Rover Discovery is...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    Reference point - Have a D1, RRC and a LR4. The new Defender appears to be a smaller LR4 with maybe better technology and newer powertrain. Is it better? We shall see. The new Discovery is a virtual failure as monthly sales numbers are very low. LR is trying to move that model to a new niche and...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    Welcome to the 70's ....................... Jaguar I-Pace Sales Have Crashed, Dealer Inventory Exceeds 6 Month Supply August 13th, 2019 "The Jaguar I-Pace is one helluva car. Do I say that because the company flew me to Portugal first class last year to drive one? Not at all. If it was a piece...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    Up from terrible numbers but still a financial mess. Jaguar Land Rover swings back into the red as sales fall FT London JULY 25, 2019 Jaguar Land Rover has vowed to return to profit this year on the back of cost-cutting and new model launches, after swinging back into the red during the last...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    First, a D1 may tow 10K in low range for a short distance but forget about towing even 5K at altitude without the revs running 3K and the engine eventually overheating. As for the 2.0-liter PHEV engine I didn't say "tow 10K". I said "move" 10K which is vehicle + trailer. In any case a 2.0-liter...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    Look up your ratings and derate by 20% and then derate again for altitude. I'll pass on 2.0-liter ........
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    For towing it's about displacement and torque, not peak horsepower. The electric motors are a positive for torque. The 2.0l displacement is a negative for torque. It is why the test drive noted "sometimes it just crawls away from stoplights " when the vehicle was required to rely on the 2.0l...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    Nice short range demo of the PHEV vehicle. And what is the range of the PHEV? "Land Rover says the SUV has about 31 miles of electric-only range" Like I previously said I would not want this vehicle for towing across the Western US where uphill drives can be hundreds of miles. I'm wondering if...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    That wasn't much of a actual driving performance review. More of a marketing piece. The basic issue is 5400 lbs powered by a 2.0-liter engine whose torque curve is not up to the task. The electric boost isn't always on-line so the end result is - "it just crawls away from stoplights." Might be...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    JLR has a long way to go on powertrains. 2020 Land Rover Range Rover Sport PHEV Review: Driving Issues Impossible to Overlook The verdict: A sumptuous cabin can’t make up for finicky touchscreen controls and an awful hybrid driving experience. ....... ....The idea is sound: Combine a...
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    2020 Defender Spy Shots....

    Well, given that it is nearly fall in the Northern Hemisphere "this winter" might give you a clue. Could be wrong.
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