Wouldn't be surprised. The auto industry is in crisis and consolidation. Tata has clearly said more partnerships are needed (beyond BMW). Every manufacturer is talking about partnerships. In fact it might be a very opportune time for bespoke low volume suppliers to step up to the next level and offer more complete vehicles where the manufacturer basically adds a badge as the final inspection of production.
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Wouldn't be surprised. The auto industry is in crisis and consolidation. Tata has clearly said more partnerships are needed (beyond BMW). Every manufacturer is talking about partnerships. In fact it might be a very opportune time for bespoke low volume suppliers to step up to the next level and offer more complete vehicles where the manufacturer basically adds a badge as the final inspection of production.
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sorry bud, you just twisted my words mate, please write your own comments, don't twist others, cheers.
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Giant rear a pillar is great in my opinion, ties the alpine window to the body, place for ladder to sit, looks strong, unique and modern. I think it will work well once all is revealed.
Imagine what this body would look like with a little rrc c pillar, imo it needs the big one.
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I think that's mostly spot on commercial version may have blanked out windows but not normal version, those wheels have been seen though.
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blackangie
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Depends were you live Bayou, there is more to the world than the US.
Remember these are 2016 vehicles owned for 3 years.
US look at the PP100 and industry average
UK look at the PP100 and look at industry average then Landrover & Toyota (were diesels are actually sold and a more accurate market representation)
US Landrover have improved 180% since 2008 and actually won most improved over last year, its not at the bottom, this is just top 20.
Notice all the Toyotas on this list on link below and defender has not been avail properly anywhere since 2016, its easy to make a reliable petrol, not so much a deseil as we have seen in AU with toyota.
It factual to say that based on both historical and current UK and US JD power dependability surveys, that LR have improved massively over the years and so has the industry, in the UK LR are on par with Toyota were there offerings are similar engine wise. In the US LR are fastest improving of top 20 based on 2018-2019 comparo.
Depends how you look at things, i realize its a glass half full approach, but its based on facts. that's me on the reliability subject unless someone posts facts to the contrary, that doesn't include their uncles sisters experience.
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blackangie
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don’t work to hard for them they don’t care about you also.
Buliwyf
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Please stop with the JD power nonsense.
Go talk to a mechanic that you trust. There's darn good reasons why very well built Mercedes's are low on that list, and dismal mexican built GM's fluctuate from the very worst ratings, to near the top every other year, and then back to the bottom.
Problems are one thing, fixing them is another. And 100+ problems per just 100 cars? Kinda shows the error in tabulating these results. No manufacturer is that bad.
Here's another junk survey:
www.am-online.com
Note Teslas results. If a Tesla is in your ''most reliable'' category, then your entire survey is rubbish. Sorry.
Go talk to a mechanic that you trust. There's darn good reasons why very well built Mercedes's are low on that list, and dismal mexican built GM's fluctuate from the very worst ratings, to near the top every other year, and then back to the bottom.
Problems are one thing, fixing them is another. And 100+ problems per just 100 cars? Kinda shows the error in tabulating these results. No manufacturer is that bad.
Here's another junk survey:
Lexus and Toyota top 2019 What Car? Reliability Survey rankings
Lexus and Toyota topped the rankings of the 2019 What Car? Reliability Survey as Land Rover owners highlighted their vehicles as the least reliable new cars on the market.
www.am-online.com
Note Teslas results. If a Tesla is in your ''most reliable'' category, then your entire survey is rubbish. Sorry.
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blackangie
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New photo dropped on LR's Instagram
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Depends were you live Bayou, there is more to the world than the US.
Remember these are 2016 vehicles owned for 3 years.
US look at the PP100 and industry average
UK look at the PP100 and look at industry average then Landrover & Toyota (were diesels are actually sold and a more accurate market representation)
US Landrover have improved 180% since 2008 and actually won most improved over last year, its not at the bottom, this is just top 20.
Notice all the Toyotas on this list on link below and defender has not been avail properly anywhere since 2016, its easy to make a reliable petrol, not so much a deseil as we have seen in AU with toyota.
It factual to say that based on both historical and current UK and US JD power dependability surveys, that LR have improved massively over the years and so has the industry, in the UK LR are on par with Toyota were there offerings are similar engine wise. In the US LR are fastest improving of top 20 based on 2018-2019 comparo.
Depends how you look at things, i realize its a glass half full approach, but its based on facts. that's me on the reliability subject unless someone posts facts to the contrary, that doesn't include their uncles sisters experience.
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All that to post two charts showing LR at the bottom of the pack?! And the comparison between the LR #s for US and UK just proves my point that the UK spec trucks are not representative of what we will get in the US. The US trucks have almost DOUBLE the issues as the UK trucks. That's because we get more complex luxury equipped trucks. That won't change with the Defender.
Why are you bringing Toyota into the mix? Who cares about Toyota? Those trucks are so outdated it isn't even funny.
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Another vid and photos tomorrow 9th 
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