Am i reading this correctly? 2016 taco still has rear drum brakes...

[bkg]

Sportscars and motorcycles has discs because of heat generation. Brakes convert kinetic energy to heat. Speed has a greater impact on the amount of kinetic energy than mass. Sportscars and motorcycles can get go very fast. If you understood how kinetic energy works you would've understood that if double the mass, you double the kinetic energy. Double the speed, quadruple the kinetic energy..

So if a truck were to go fast - just to follow your logic - as say in the instance of the xRunner - a sport truck...

Then discs are better... because... speed. Per your statements.

But... since Tacoma's don't go fast, they don't need discs...

I wonder why the Tundra, 4Runner, Sequoia, Landcruiser (for 20 years now), etc... have discs then... they aren't supposed to go fast like sports cars or motorcycles.

 

[calicamper]

GM builds big heavy trucks and Big powerful Sports cars. Toyota builds small trucks and city cars always takes a conservative nothing ground breaking approach both in design and money invested. Really you guys think Toyota used drums on the taco because they were better than disc? It was all about money you guys. Whats even more funny is that many Taco people replace half the suspension with after market stuff any way. So who frigin cares?

 

[bkg]

Guys I am trying to find a disc brake to drum brake conversion kit for my 2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee....any help will be appreciated.

Thanks!!!

Grand Cherokees suck and aren't used by overlanders like Tacoma's are...which is why there isn't a Cherokee section on Expo. Therefore, you are irrelevant and should go away.





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or something like that. :smiley_drive:

 

[moonshiner]

Looks you don't really understand or have selective reading. I've already explained why discs are used in the front. And that post was directly to you. Sorry if it was beyond your reading level.

 

[bkg]

Looks you don't really understand or have selective reading. I've already explained why discs are used in the front. And that post was directly to you. Sorry if it was beyond your reading level.

Maybe try smaller words... or type slower so we can keep up?



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Serious question... you take any criticism of Toyota very seriously, almost personally. Why?

 

[moonshiner]

GM builds big heavy trucks and Big powerful Sports cars. Toyota builds small trucks and city cars always takes a conservative nothing ground breaking approach both in design and money invested. Really you guys think Toyota used drums on the taco because they were better than disc? It was all about money you guys. Whats even more funny is that many Taco people replace half the suspension with after market stuff any way. So who frigin cares?

Where was it ever mentioned that Toyota used chose to used drums because they were better than disc?

 

[Utah KJ]

Rear drums are better because Toyota.

 

[moonshiner]

Maybe try smaller words... or type slower so we can keep up?



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Serious question... you take any criticism of Toyota very seriously, almost personally. Why?

I don't really care about your criticism of Toyota. I sure Toyota don't give a $hit either since people don't really put their money where mouth is. I'm just correcting errors with facts.

No where did I say that Toyota is superior. No where did I say that drum brakes are superior. Heck, I even said that drums are not superior just because it has certain advantages over discs and vice versa. You guys seem to have imagine that in your head along the way. Each type have their pros and cons and each type has their application. But that concept seems to be hard for some to understand.

Sorry if your world came crashing down at the fact that the Tacoma is not the only Toyota truck/suv to use drum rear brakes. That's just facts.

 

[moonshiner]

So if a truck were to go fast - just to follow your logic - as say in the instance of the xRunner - a sport truck...

Then discs are better... because... speed. Per your statements.

But... since Tacoma's don't go fast, they don't need discs...

I wonder why the Tundra, 4Runner, Sequoia, Landcruiser (for 20 years now), etc... have discs then... they aren't supposed to go fast like sports cars or motorcycles.

"Then discs are better... because... speed."
Talk about taking things out of context. But I guess that's what you do when you don't understand a particular concept.

Why do those vehicles have solid thin disc in the rear instead of ventilated thick disc like the front? Except for powerful sports cars and heavy pickups, most rear setup have un-ventilated, thin disc. Why? The answer to this questions is the same answer to yours.

 

[BigSwede]

They used drum brakes because they do the job, well enough, and they are cheaper. End of story.

 

[moonshiner]

They used drum brakes because they do the job, well enough, and they are cheaper. End of story.

Works for me.

 

[tacollie]

Just because disk brakes have more potential than drum brakes doesn't mean all disc brakes are better than all drum brakes. It's possible the drum brakes on the Tacoma preform as well as the ones on the 4Runner or Colorado. Just my thoughts.
Also, a boxed frame and Diesel engine don't make the Colorado a Hilux. A Hilux is built off of its reputation. The Colorado's reputation is more blemished than the Tacoma's. The Colorado needs time to proves itself. I personally don't like GM. I would strongly consider a Frontier or a Ranger if it returns, but I have had 4 Tacomas all with over 100k miles and been happy so Tacomas are at the top of my list. It's familiar and I don't care about all the technology the Colorado might offer.


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[Clutch]

Just because disk brakes have more potential than drum brakes doesn't mean all disc brakes are better than all drum brakes. It's possible the drum brakes on the Tacoma preform as well as the ones on the 4Runner or Colorado. Just my thoughts.
Also, a boxed frame and Diesel engine don't make the Colorado a Hilux. A Hilux is built off of its reputation. The Colorado's reputation is more blemished than the Tacoma's. The Colorado needs time to proves itself. I personally don't like GM. I would strongly consider a Frontier or a Ranger if it returns, but I have had 4 Tacomas all with over 100k miles and been happy so Tacomas are at the top of my list. It's familiar and I don't care about all the technology the Colorado might offer.

^^^this^^^

 

[austintaco]

I love this thread. Its like my new favorite show on Hulu. I sit down and click through to see if there is a new episode. Score!

Disc/Drum, Diesel/petrol, boxed/c channel....at the end of the day, you walk out to your truck and you have to be happy with your purchase. That being said, if I won a brand new 4wd Diesel Colorado, I would ask for the cash value or sell it before it lost even more value. I couldn't walk out of the grocery store and claim a Colorado as mine. They look good. They have some cool features and more on the way, but all that glitters is not gold....or hilux.

 

[cationmoted]

Also, a boxed frame and Diesel engine don't make the Colorado a Hilux. A Hilux is built off of its reputation. The Colorado's reputation is more blemished than the Tacoma's. The Colorado needs time to proves itself. I personally don't like GM. I would strongly consider a Frontier or a Ranger if it returns, but I have had 4 Tacomas all with over 100k miles and been happy so Tacomas are at the top of my list. It's familiar and I don't care about all the technology the Colorado might offer.


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^^^this^^^

Do you think the hilux would have the same reputation if it wasn't for the fully boxed frame or diesel? Its reputation is a direct link to its engineering which the new colorado shares on a very basic level. As you mentioned, only time will tell the reliability of the colorado chassis however the boxed frame formula for its strength is on the same track as the land cruisers, defenders, patrols and g wagons that once led or still lead the pack in chassis strength and reliability today. To some extent, reputation should not be extended to different designs. The new colorado has nothing in common with its U.S. predecessor but rather more so the international colorado which some say, has given the hilux a run for its money. Also i must add, the 2.8 "Duramax" diesel has been proved internationally for many years. I'm not trying to sell people a colorado, i just want them to understand that for heavy duty overland use the tacoma falls short in it's design, but if it works for you to each his own, I'm just not a fan of compromises.