Building an expedition-worthy 06 Tacoma

ArchaeoTaco

Observer
jim65wagon said:
adding the front bumper and winch may change that though, you may need to at least do the coilovers to counteract the added weight to the nose.

BajaTaco said:
I think if you are adding rock sliders, all of the camping equipment, and a winch bumper, you will end up with an upgraded suspension, be it now or later. I don't think the stock suspension will be up to the task in the long-term. There are two ways you can go:

1. Add all of the weight on the stock susp. and just take it easy and be careful with the driving. Document all of the differences in ride height and GVW as you go ("before" & "after" measurements). After you are all complete with adding weight, determine your gross weight and how much lift you need, and place an order for the suspension accordingly.

2. Draw up a list of modifications you plan to make, and estimate what the weight will end up being. Weigh your truck now, as-is, and then provide all of these numbers to your suspension specialist of choice, along with the desired amount of lift, and get the suspension ordered and installed ahead of all of the weight increases. I would recommend adjustable coilovers for the front, so that you can make fine adjustments to the ride height as necessary. For the rear, you can make up some adjustment in ride height with shackle length if you need to, or even small spring-steel spacers on the bottom of the leaf packs.


Thanks for the input, Jim65 and Baja. Now that I've thought about it, dealing with the suspension and lift first seems to be the better choice. I'd rather not have to take it easy on the trails, since getting in and out of some rugged terrain comes first on the list of priorities. So it looks like the camping mods will have to wait.

As Arnold once quipped, "you can't shoot a cannon from a canoe".:p
 

ArchaeoTaco

Observer
devinsixtyseven said:
Anything over 1/4 your recommended payload as a constant load (rack, sliders, skids, etc) and I bet you'll find it's time to look at stiffer springs. That's a slippery number and really an educated guess but ya gotta keep in mind that Toyota has been building suspensions for unloaded US street use for a while now, and while they may rate your truck with a little over 1/4T working load (max IIRC is 1400#ish, working load is half that), you'll be all over the bump stops with 700# in the truck offroad. I was all over the stops with an unloaded truck and stock suspension, now with stiffer springs and the load I carry I can still flex to the stops but my butt isn't dragging :p. You can get by with stock suspension and heavy loads, but your capability offroad will suffer.

When you're adding tube, here's a quick rule of thumb. Thicker walls means the tube is less likely to deform or crush from a point load--good for sliders and other body protection. Larger diameter means stiffer tube, so you can drop the wall thickness if it's not body protection...for example a rack. You'll find there are some combinations where you can use a large diameter thinwall tube and it will be stronger as well as lighter than a narrow tube with a thick wall.

Basically, diameter has more effect on strength and stiffness than wall thickness, so if you choose the right stuff you can keep the constant load down and save space for steak and beer.

Something else to consider when weighting the truck is keep as much as you can in front of, or centered over, the rear axle.

Good call, Sean. I've officially begun the search for new suspension. Everyone seems to be quite happy with the Donahoe suspension package at Demello Offroad. Any other suggestions?

BTW, I talked with Jeremiah at Offroad Solutions today, so my truck will be in good hands when it comes time for a rack.
 

Bergger

Explorer
Great choice in sliders. I have the same ones on my 03 Tacoma Double Cab. That certainly is a good suspension package but I'm not sure if that is with the Deaver 7,8 or 9 leaf pack. From what I've heard the 7 carries less weight than the stock leaves and are more for racing. Most guys go with the 8 or 9 leaf pack and some even the 10. The Donahoes are considered the best coil over you can get. I don't do much high speed driving so I went with a 2" coil over instead, SAW 2.0. I love them. I also decided to go with a stiffer leaf pack. The Deaver have no over loads. Since I carry a lot of weight and tow a camper I wanted something that supported the weight but still had good articulation. I've got a complete Old Man Emu set up in the rear, leafs, shocks and shackles. I am very happy with the complete set up front and rear. The whole thing cost me about $1250 and the install is very, very easy. I did have the guys at Off Road Solutions put on my extended brake line. Those guys are great and know Toyotas well.
 

FortyMileDesert

Adventurer
Hmm - bashing Rugged Trails

I seem to see this repeated several times on this thread - - Personally, I've had very good luck with them.

I'm running 265/75-16 BFG Rugged Trail, load range E on my Disco at present. Have had them on there for about 20,000 miles, more than 50 off-road treks (mostly N. Nevada) about 5000 of that in the dirt. About the only time they arent up to snuff compared to the BFG TA/KOs that I had previously is in deep, slick mud. Where they are BETTER than the TA/KOs is:

Much smoother on highway
Much quieter on highway
Stay balanced better
Lugs don't tear off as easily

The TA/KOs have the advantage:

The aforementioned deep mud
An extra ply of sidewall

In northern Nevada, I rarely encounter deep mud - The kind that fills the tread.
 

ArchaeoTaco

Observer
Bergger said:
Great choice in sliders. I have the same ones on my 03 Tacoma Double Cab. That certainly is a good suspension package but I'm not sure if that is with the Deaver 7,8 or 9 leaf pack. From what I've heard the 7 carries less weight than the stock leaves and are more for racing. Most guys go with the 8 or 9 leaf pack and some even the 10. The Donahoes are considered the best coil over you can get. I don't do much high speed driving so I went with a 2" coil over instead, SAW 2.0. I love them. I also decided to go with a stiffer leaf pack. The Deaver have no over loads. Since I carry a lot of weight and tow a camper I wanted something that supported the weight but still had good articulation. I've got a complete Old Man Emu set up in the rear, leafs, shocks and shackles. I am very happy with the complete set up front and rear. The whole thing cost me about $1250 and the install is very, very easy. I did have the guys at Off Road Solutions put on my extended brake line. Those guys are great and know Toyotas well.

Thanks for the great info, Bergger. I'm in a similar situation as you - I need the back suspension for the weight more than high speed stuff. I'll be carrying tents, tools, shovels, artifacts, buckets of dirt, water, etc. I'm glad to hear your positive review of the Old Man Emu setup. I certainly like the OME philosophy - function over fashion.

$1250 sounds very reasonable. I was thinking about 2.5" coilovers, though, for a future winch.

So you did all of the installation (besides the extended brake line) yourself? Killer; that saves a few hundred bucks.

I see you're in Aurora. We'll have to meet up sometime and go wheeling! :beer:
 

Bergger

Explorer
ArchaeoTaco said:
Thanks for the great info, Bergger. I'm in a similar situation as you - I need the back suspension for the weight more than high speed stuff. I'll be carrying tents, tools, shovels, artifacts, buckets of dirt, water, etc. I'm glad to hear your positive review of the Old Man Emu setup. I certainly like the OME philosophy - function over fashion.

$1250 sounds very reasonable. I was thinking about 2.5" coilovers, though, for a future winch.

So you did all of the installation (besides the extended brake line) yourself? Killer; that saves a few hundred bucks.

I see you're in Aurora. We'll have to meet up sometime and go wheeling! :beer:

The spring rate is what you really want to look at if you are thinking about adding a lot of weight to the front of your truck. The real benefit of the 2.5" shock is better performance at high speeds due to the increased fluid capacity. If you don't plan on racing you can probably save some money and go with a 2.0. Though I hear the Donahoes ride like a dream. I may give them a try when mine wear out. The SAW 2.0 that I have have a 15" 675lbs spring so they will hold some nice weight. I don't even think you can get them anymore though in that spring rate. Most now, 2.0 and 2.5, come with 650lbs springs. Although Allpros coils can be had with springs as low as 550lbs. As far as the install, it's a piece of cake. It's a waste of money to pay someone to do it for you. The coils are a 4 bolt job each and you can do that yourself. The rear is just a bit more difficult and it does help to have a second person to help move the axle around and seat the pins in the leaf packs. When you plan on doing it just let me know and I'll see if I can help you out.
 

ArchaeoTaco

Observer
GPS Unit

Got a package in the mail from DeLorme today :sombrero:

I've been waiting for this unit to come out for a while now. It's perfect for my needs: something that can be used in the truck to get me to UTM coordinates in the middle of nowhere, and at the same time I can carry it with me on long hikes/surveys.

The capability to layer USGS topos and aerials on the unit is a huge bonus. That's gonna save me a ton of time in the field trying to figure out if we're still within the boundaries of some arbitrary line, like a section boundary.

I ordered the Earthmate GPS PN-20 Deluxe Bundle, which comes with rechargable lithium ion batteries, lots of cords/connections for cars, computers and wall plugs, a 1 GB SD card and reader for storing all those topos and aerials, Topo USA DVD software, and $100 in free downloads from the DeLorme website.

I also ordered the In-Vehicle Mount.

All of this cost me $530, shipped. Great price for what you get.

Here is everything that came in the box:

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It's a windshield mount, so I first mounted it in the center of the windshield, but I didn't like the reduced visibility, so I moved it to the left side of the dash, which works out perfectly:

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Then it was a simple matter of running the wire under the console and threading it up beneath the power supply:

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I've been using it around town and it works great. I can't wait to get it out in the field :arabia:

Earthmate-12.jpg
 

ArchaeoTaco

Observer
sliders

Got some welding done this weekend :D

I ordered a set of Standard SKO rocksliders from Stubbs Welding. Richard did a great job on these sliders, and he was a pleasure to work with. He was very accommodating with all of my beginner welding questions.

Here's how they looked after I got them powder coated:

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After clamping them into place I tack welded them onto the frame:

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After triple checking everything, the final welds were made.

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The end product looks great:

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And for the final test (before the actually wheeling them, that is):
sliders3.jpg


:victory:
 
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Willman

Active member
Sliders look awesome!!! Richard is a great guy!! I love my sliders!!!

Nice looking rig and Welcome to the ExPo!!!

:ylsmoke:
 

BajaTaco

Swashbuckler
So not only is he an archaeo guy... but he knows how to weld stuff... :bowdown:

Congrats on the sliders and the DeLorme. The pics are great! That DeLorme looks really good in your tacoma. Please give us some feedback on the unit after you have some time with it. It looks like a really useful (and powerful) model. I am curious what the image costs will add up to over time.
 

crawler#976

Expedition Leader
Nice job on the sliders! Richard is indeed a pleasure to work with. May try to meet him this summer - we're going thru Susanville in June.

Your truck is making progress very quickly!
 

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