Do you feel the need to have a weapon when camping

[jcbrandon]

...A trained K9 would be a good choice but a lot of responsability...

Responsible pet owners are good citizens. And their dogs can be excellent citizens. Becoming a responsible dog owner, and training your dog, is a tremendously valuable experience. You will learn a lot about yourself, and about other people.

If the dog is big and protective, you will learn skills that will be also be very valuable should you later decide to carry defensive weapons. Things like situational awareness, threat assessment, non-verbal communications, and self-control under duress. Training a dog is a good lead-in to training with firearms, should you decide to go that route.

 

[Maximus Ram]

Having said that, I find it interesting how so many people claiming to only having an opinion try so damned hard to either convince those with differing opinions or insulting them. Strangely enough, it most often seems to be those who want to carry a gun that argue the most with those who simply wish not to.

Why not let those who want to, do so and let those who don't, don't. Why must it always turn into a pissing match? Live and let live, or live and let shoot, whatever floats your boat or fills your holster.

Ahh, if it was as simple as that, but unfortunately that is not the world we live in and there are some folks that feel a need to regulate what others do, have or enjoy.:friday:

 

[AYIAPhoto]

Want another beer?

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Not a weapon huh.... good luck with that idea.

A police K9(which that is a picture of) is completely different than a family pet.

Yes, and all illegal in Canada, I believe. I can't buy pepper spray unless it's labeled "Bear Spray".

And in Canada You would also likely face jail time for using it against a person(just like "wasp spray") because it is labeled not to be used on people.

A large dog is no better than a small alert dog for your defense
Looking at this from a global point I don't agree.

Only North America, africa and Russia has wild animals left big enough to eat people, everywhere else they have been already eaten by the human inhabitants.
Camped out on a beach, not even the beach sellers come anywhere near you
when you have a dog.

Police stops -dog head out window and you usually get waved by, even on the US mex border, the drug dog flipped at diesel after we were pulled over for inspection, they just changed their minds and we were let through.
Middle east - no way is any local , Indian or Pakistani is going anywhere near me my family or the house they are all scared of dogs
Its not a weapon as such, its just a visual deterrent-warning system.

Yes they are a visual deterrent, No one wants to risk an altercation with an unknown animal. The middle east is slightly different as they consider dogs "unclean". As a warning system they are incredible.

Sorry to hear about your dog, if he hadn't been there -it could have been your niece.....the dog although only seconds gave you warning and time

And as cold as it might sound to say it, that is why I adopted him. EBT are much more head strong than smart. They are incredibly loyal-loving and playful, but they don't know when to back down. My sisters aforementioned mini-jack russell would beat him up playing but that dog would defend to the end anyone he knew.

My friends never know what I do or don't have

That is a large part of carrying, it lines right up with knowing how to responsibly handle firearms. My FL permit covers 27 or 28 some states but I only carry "open" when it is more convenient or people are not around. While I could walk into a restaurant in VT with no permit and a Desert Eagle strapped to my hip, that serves no purpose.

Why not let those who want to, do so and let those who don't, don't. Why must it always turn into a pissing match? Live and let live, or live and let shoot, whatever floats your boat or fills your holster.

I am perfectly happy with that. I have Taken many(mostly women, and mostly women who had a reason to be afraid(nutjob ex's)) to the range or introduced them to people who might teach them a thing or two about not only defending themselves but also how to avoid getting into those circumstances in the first place. I would not argue about someones choice NOT to carry a fire arm. If they make you uncomfortable (much like my grandmother who can drive her butt off on an empty back road but panics as soon as she sees another car) or you feel that you are in a situation where it would not be of use to you(much like our Canadian neighbors who have a lot more restrictions placed upon them) that is a personal choice. I will however go out of my way at any opportunity to dispel myths and cherry picked statistics(always skewed by SOMEONE with an agenda either way) to help someone make an "informed" decision.

Now I'm back off to the Sportsmobile forum to ogle and plan that which originally brought me to EP.

 

[UK4X4]

yep forgot about the crocs......don't camp near water !

really anacondas et al rarely leap of tree's and consume humans....

although I do have some pics somewhere of a very small person inside one

yep forgot the last few indian tigers, you'd be lucky to see one

let alone be eaten by one !

you'd have to be the unluckiest traveller on the planet.

Like most things you have to take the stories of death by furries and death by backwoods meth cookers

as rare possibilities rather than the norm.

 

[Klierslc]

This is getting tedious. You are ignoring the 2.5 million defensive uses of guns that DON'T happen in Canada every year, yet we have a lower crime rate. Why?

I wouldn't change those restrictions. (and many non-commonwealth countries have the same restrictions) I LIKE those restrictions. The system isn't perfect, but it's *working*.


Do you carry a AED? It's a tool. I think it's MUCH more likely to save a life.

We can't all carry all the tools. We all pick and choose, based on our perceptions and fears.

I used to have the "guns R bad" bug. It was largely dispelled when I went to the range. I already said, I think guns are cool. If I had the money, I'd buy lots of guns, just because they're cool. But I would lock them up. Just the same as I safety my power nailer, my welder (or at least the 220V socket for it), etc.

Well, I already answered it I thought. In certain rare circumstances, I'm screwed.

As for hunting... now there IS a good use. That IS why I said I would like to get a gun for TEOTWAWKI. And something in this thread made me switch that thought from shotguns for defence, to a rifle. If I were to have a gun, and it had to be unloaded, it would be faster to use because I imagine popping in a magazine is faster than plugging shells into a shotgun.

A couple things:

All crime does not involve guns. You have a lower crime rate yes, you also don't have the criminal culture in most of Canada that pervades much of the US-Gangs. You are right, there are very few defensive uses of guns in Canada. If more people had guns that were accessible, there would be more defensive uses of guns. It is a proven fact that when concealed carry is introduced into an area crime goes down. Canada could have an even lower crime rate than it does--why wouldn't you want that? Based on a story posted earlier in this thread, there is in fact some gun violence in Canada with (shock of all shocks) criminals using illegal guns. Why would they do such a thing?

Criminals are not always the smartest people around, but even they don't think that car jacking someone is worth getting shot over....(For the most part) there are, apparently, a few exceptions.

Dunno what an AED is. Can it protect me an mine? If it is in the same vein as a fire extinguisher and smaller than a baby hippo, I'd consider it.

What is TEOTWAWKI? Canadian Bigfoot?

Do your guns ALWAYS have to be unloaded? In the home? while hunting? in transport to hunting?

I'll admit to being a little over the top a couple times in this thread, but it pains me to see people killed who have the capacity to defend themselves. Sure, people are going to die, but when I see on the news that a woman has been raped and killed, I can't help but think that if she had even a little pocket gun, she at the very minimum could have scared off the rapist. And if the rapist has a bigger gun, she might be able to put some rounds into him before she is shot. She is still dead, but at least didn't have to get raped first.

If you don't want to have/carry a gun. Fine. I honestly hope nothing ever happens to you. I hope nothing ever happens to me too, but if it does, I'll be equipped to neutralize a threat. (not addressed specifically to Rob, just folks in general)

 

[Klierslc]

Yes, and all illegal in Canada, I believe. I can't buy pepper spray unless it's labelled "Bear Spray".

That is just plain silly.

Why do you guys put up with stuff like that?

I guess it isn't much different here....In the PRK it is illegal to have a baseball bat in your car unless going to a baseball game.....

Seriously though, why would the Canadian government ban defensive weapons? Can you have paintball guns, knives, golf clubs, baseball bats etc?

Some of the high dollar paintball guns would make formidable defense weapons.

Step into someones house and get hosed down by a fully automatic paintball gun with frozen paintballs.....I bet that 300+ rounds later, a thief would be begging for the police to come.....

Freezing paintballs is probably illegal too.

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Dunno what an AED is. Can it protect me an mine? If it is in the same vein as a fire extinguisher and smaller than a baby hippo, I'd consider it.

Automated External Defibrilator. Can save you from a heart attack.

What is TEOTWAWKI? Canadian Bigfoot?

The End Of The World As We Know It.

Why do you guys put up with stuff like that?

Because for the most part, it's happy-fun-land up here. It's just not worth worrying about. Seriously, I don't know why defensive weapons are banned. As far as I know, these things aren't voted on. They are regulations which the ruling government can put into place at will. That being said, our democracy works pretty well, and if people ACTUALLY wanted it changed, it would be. The fact is, nobody cares enough to write their politicians. Our "gun registry" is pretty close to being dismantled. Soon as the Conservatives win a majority, it'll happen.

I was pissed when I had a replica morning star confiscated when I came back from Austria. I had picked it up as a souvenir. Apparently a "morning star" (or parts thereof) are prohibitted weapons. The definition is a spiked iron ball, a length of chain, and a wooden handle. So apparently sticks, chain, and lumpy bits of iron are illegal to possess.

I can own a hammer, a sword, an axe, etc... so figure that one out.

Basically it appears that "weapons" are not allowed, only "tools". A long gun is a tool for hunting.

We have no problem with baseball bats.

 

[baca327]

This thread has gotten to the point similar to that of telling a 17 year old boy to wear a condom. You can tell him all you want but he wont understand until he is a 17 year old father.....:coffeedrink:

 

[bobDog]

This thread has gotten to the point similar to that of telling a 17 year old boy to wear a condom. You can tell him all you want but he wont understand until he is a 17 year old father.....:coffeedrink:

hmmmmm can you use a condom as a silencer? I mean a baby bottle nipple works on a 22 right?:sombrero:

 

[baca327]

hmmmmm can you use a condom as a silencer? :sombrero:

Yes a silencer to prevent the newborn cries.:victory: But seriously they work well for keeping sand out of your barrel on a long gun and you can shoot right through it. Silencer no. Protection yes for both your barrels:wings:

 

[Dave Bennett]

hmmmmm can you use a condom as a silencer? I mean a baby bottle nipple works on a 22 right?:sombrero:

** Insert Coffee Spitting Emoticon here**

 

[Maximus Ram]

hmmmmm can you use a condom as a silencer? I mean a baby bottle nipple works on a 22 right?:sombrero:

rifle or year old ?:Wow1:

 

[Mike S]

As far as Bears are concerned I wouldn't shoot any of them with a gun unless it's a last resort. All a shotgun/pistol is going to do is piss em off. Bear/Pepper spray is much more effective at getting them to leave your camp.

I think you are partly wrong here. A shotgun is a tremendous defense against almost anything short of a T Rex. At close range (even with bird shot) it will easily kill the baddest bear or Crazed Person (CP). Pepper spray is a short range deterrent, and you are betting that the recipient will be incapacitated or choose to leave. The shotgun is more, ah... positive.

 

[bobDog]

rifle or year old ?:Wow1:

:sombrero::sombrero::elkgrin::wings:

 

[baca327]

I think you are partly wrong here. A shotgun is a tremendous defense against almost anything short of a T Rex. At close range (even with bird shot) it will easily kill the baddest bear or Crazed Person (CP). Pepper spray is a short range deterrent, and you are betting that the recipient will be incapacitated or choose to leave. The shotgun is more, ah... positive.

He may be more than partly wrong. This handgun may do more than piss off a bear also..The Judge