How is your truck set up for an expedition??

gjackson

FRGS
I suppose I'll get in trouble for this but for a "Certified Overland Master Trainer" Person that is a VERY unsafe way to use a Hi Lift!

1) Hi Lift, as well as others, NEVER intended the jack to be used as a vehicle stabilizing jack - you should never work under a vehicle solely held up by the jack alone! "Well, I wasn't all the way under the truck." isn't an excuse. I guess you might have to learn the hard way....

2) Only in extreme cases should a Hi Lift be left alone ESPECIALLY with the handle down and not held against the stanchion. That's a "loaded weapon" right there. If you have to leave the jack wrap a tree saver around the handle to hold it against the stanchion. (The only time I instruct a student to leave a Hi Lift unattended is on the battlefield!)

Who is "certifies" these "Certified Instructors"?

We all learn from experience. And I freely admit I made a mistake there. That was the end of a very long, very tiring and very frustrating day. Yes, the jack handle should have been up and secured there, and it is when we are most tired that we make the worst mistakes. I wasn't born perfect, and I'm still far from it. I had reservations about posting that pic, but hey, that's what happened.

cheers
 

Scott Brady

Founder
I suppose I'll get in trouble for this but for a "Certified Overland Master Trainer" Person that is a VERY unsafe way to use a Hi Lift!

It is a fair criticism.

Graham may choose to respond in more detail, but it is as simple as the context of history. Graham's Africa trip was taken years ago, and just like the rest of us (i.e. all of us), we learn through time and from our mistakes.

Over the nearly 20 years I have driven 4wds and ridden motorcycles, I have "Treaded Heavily", pulled cable without gloves, used a Hi-Lift incorrectly and done various other genuinely stupid things. We all have similar stories of making these mistakes, and learning from them. Educators of all types are shaped as much by their training and education as they are by the "school of hard knocks".

The Overland Training curriculum has been developed by Graham and me, in cooperation with Tom Collins, Tom Sheppard, Chris Scott, Nick Tailor, Lois Pryce and others.
 

1leglance

2007 Expedition Trophy Champion, Overland Certifie
Being new to "overlanding" and "expedition" setups....well being fairly new to any kind of off highway travel (just over 2yrs) I can say that the training I rec'd from Graham & Scott was exceptional.
They brought not only their personal experiences learned through mistakes but a willingness to share those mistakes so that I and others would not have to make them.
The pic mentioned is an example of someone being willing to let go his ego to teach. Graham admits that the use wasn't correct but that is ok with me since it was years ago and he now teaches correct methods.

My rig has changed somewhat since becoming Overland Cert. My am much more concerned about wgt than I used to be, while I am still over GVW I am trying hard to fix that....even if it means giving up the RTT or some cool gear. I have dropped a couple hundred pounds but that is mostly due to a huge donation of a front bumper by Aluminess to Disabled Explorers.

One thing I don't see mentioned as much in this thread is the single person vs family issue. I also started years ago as a moto rider who could take a jaunt with only a tank bag & backpack and be fine for days.
However a wonderful wife and 2 great boys means a ton more stuff (literally 2000lbs) that includes recovery gear, spare parts and emerg supplies that I frankly was too young/dumb to care about as a youngling so many years ago.

I will add some pics pretty soon of my setup, hey maybe this is a perfect time to finally do a build thread :)
 

gjackson

FRGS
I have followed the build and trips with Graham's 110 for years. Always liked it, some real thought in there.

Thank you, I appreciate the compliment.

I like drawers but they don't work for me AND they are heavy compared to a simple modular system.

On my second rig, a 1989 RRC with a 300tdi, I'm trying to implement the 'less is more' philosophy, and keep it very simple. No drawer system, no roof tent, no fridge. Well, maybe a fridge. :) I'm planning on using wolf packs and keeping the storage modular. I'd prefer to not even have a winch on the RR, but since it will be used for training, it will have one.

cheers
 

Geo14cux

Adventurer
Scott, if TC had real input I am pretty sure its a credible program.
That said, whether it was a long trip or not. Being a Master Trainer the pic does represent poor practice that has resulted in injury [not in this case thankfully]. I think if there were a edit added to the pic as to the proper instruction. This might add the proper humility.. Remember that pic will be seen by many & part of your archives......
No one is perfect but being an instructor in another sport. I feel is important to do as I do, not as I say.

There is some great info here keep it up.
 

bobDog

Expedition Leader
Interesting question.

I’ve tried to build my rig with two sometime opposing goals, one being a vehicle that I can survive, and/or thrive in a wilderness environment that
Thanks,
Fred
Explorer 1 & 2

Fred could you tell me about your roof rack or show me some more pics of it....lots of mounting points...should be very tough but I've never seen one like it. thanks
 

Scott Brady

Founder
Tom is also one of our trainers. He is a true gentleman and an inspiration.

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Tom has a long history with motorcycles as well. Here he is demonstrating how to lift a heavy pig of a BMW...
 

Nonimouse

Cynical old bastard
Graham

Been down that RRC route - but with a 200Tdi. It's not easy but because the RRC is such a special vehicle you want it to work so much. I did about 100K plus in mine everywhere this side of the Atlantic AND I used it for family hack, tow barge, work hack and comp vehicle. When the time worm got too bad and I moved on to the 100" it went off to make another 100"

As for certification, I can say from experience that it atkes b&lls to admit to the world that you are good at something. You become a target for all and sundry and you have to be one of the best. Staying one of the best takes more work than most people are willing to give.
I am ex Land Rover Experience and hold approved certification form over 20 international companies, aid agency's and specialist organisations as well as working with the UK/EU military. However putting that in print on the internet is like standing up at an AA meeting and giving folk the lowdown and dirty!

Maybe one day I'll see you around!
 

kellymoe

Expedition Leader
As we say in the fire department, "everyone makes mistakes, it's how you recover that is important".
 

Connie

Day walker, Overland Certified OC0013
Some folks that we traveled with had adjustable Load 'n' Lock rails kind of like these

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Which were pretty cool and made the load area highly versatile and very secure for their modular packing system. I don't know if there is anything like that available here though.
 

emmodg

Adventurer
The only reason I bring "certification" up is that right now in the "off-highway" training "industry" everybody and his brother has a school and they all have some certification. Fact is there is no ONE mutually agreed upon certification for ANY US Based Trainer. (Hopefully we will have one soon. We almost did with I4WDTA but that's another story.) There are countless schools and contractors getting on the GSA and offering the US Military "training programs" touting some kind of SOCOM experience. (Training Tier 3 and 4 military groups doesn't mean one is familiar with the entire "SOCOM" SOP, and driving 110's and 90's on dirt roads for fun in foreign countries is MUCH different than driving 1151 HUMVEE's and overly-laden HILUX's on the battlefield - many schools believe there is no difference.)

Experience DOES provide one with credentials, that is a fact and I am sure that the aforementioned gentleman are experienced behind the wheel of a truck. I just think those of us in this profession need to be careful with the advise we give and the examples we show. :victory:

And by the way - I too did some STUPID stuff in my early days of "wheeling"!
 

Connie

Day walker, Overland Certified OC0013
The cool thing about a modular system like Sinuhe's Pelican cases or the ZARGES Boxes that Nonimouse mentioned:
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is that they also provide extra seating in camp.
 

lstrvr

New member
While performing the restoration of my SII Carawagon I spent years planning and designing the layout. I flipped back and forth over the idea of trying to fit everything inside, literally including the kitchen sink, but finally rested on the idea of keeping it simple, but comfortable. We decided to try keep in mind that we were basically "backpacking around..." with the afforded comfort of sleeping and traveling inside the truck. With that mindset we were able to keep all our "gear" to a basic minimum preventing overloading the truck and clutter. For myself, I know that I stand a better chance of staying out on a trip longer if the sleeping arrangements and living quarters meet the satisfaction of my wife! With that in mind I designed the largest sleeping surface afforded by the overall dimension of the truck, while including enough space to stand and dress in comfort. For that, I built a bed platform that uses the counter tops, hanging supports and planks, that are all contained within it's own cabinet, take only seconds to set-up and result in a bed that is full width and extends to just before the dash. It is more comfortable than our bed at home. We use Luxury Therm-a-rest mattresses and a memory foam topper for ultimate comfort!

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For our clothes, I built a support rack off of the rear door to hold our 2 individual backpacks that are accessible while inside the truck and can also be used as "bug-out bags" in case of emergencies (each bag has a small stock of survival gear). Obviously, we did pack other clothes and footwear in other cabinets in the truck, but left the day to day stuff easily accessible.


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Through work I was able to acquire some Galley carts off a Boeing 757, that slide into a storage rack. These turned out real nice, as when we set-up camp, we just pull out the carts that contain the food and cooking utensils etc. and set-up outside. The other nice feature with this was that every couple of nights we would stop off at an RV park with showers and could just quickly slide out the cart with the toiletries and carry it with us. They are super light and can be individually locked if required.

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In behind the Galley Carts is enough space for all my tooling and some vehicle spares. Here is one place that I could use some lightening though as I tend to over do it with the amount of tooling I like to bring. The rest of the cabinets store various other equipment and is all accessible with the bed set-up. The larger cabinet under the drawer holds the Potable water tank.

The propane Catalytic heater turned out to be one of the biggest pieces of desirable equipment while traveling through Alaska. Going to bed at night warm and dry and waking up the same way, just ends and starts every day great!


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Some other mods that have worked out great are the rear tent that was designed and built following the original Carawagon slide out tent, and the side awning. It sure seems that most of our camping trips North of the border result in at least one day of rain, so having a nice and dry shelter that sets-up quickly is nice. We have also found the tent essential for a great transition area to dry off and clean up before entering the truck. this helped huge in keeping the truck clean and livable.


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This is just a brief example of how we have built the "expedition platform" portion of our truck. It is great to see just how different everyone's trucks get built to suit their own personal needs. We have traveled a fare bit in this current configuration, including living out of it for over a month and love it. Unfortunately, we now have 2 Saint Bernard pups, and things are looking like they may get a bit tight in a few more months! Back to the drawing board!

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