INEOS Grenadier

[ABBB]

I understand that the exterior Utility Belt rails are rated for a few hundred pounds (it was in a video about a month ago) which would be more than strong enough to mount a gas can. Given they use an industry standard track material (L-Track, I think) that are used in ambulances and such, it should be very easy to mount up gas cans/find a bracket that will do the trick.

100% agreed on the shift knob; apparently (again, I think I heard this in a video a while back) there were extreme retooling costs or something with that so they are leaving as -is for the first run.

In light defense of the shifter, I never thought much of them but have recently been driving my wife’s 2016 BMW X3 with the same shifter. Took a little getting used to but it’s actually quite nice. Very clean action, doesn’t take muscle to get it to move, isn’t clunky. It is a design that for sure comes more out of a luxury vehicle but I’ve grown to enjoy the ease with which it operates and its odd little shape and design.

 

[Grassland]

What's Europe version of EPA fuel economy called?
Is there a rated fuel economy for the gas Ineos yet?

 

[stickshifter]

In light defense of the shifter, I never thought much of them but have recently been driving my wife’s 2016 BMW X3 with the same shifter. Took a little getting used to but it’s actually quite nice. Very clean action, doesn’t take muscle to get it to move, isn’t clunky. It is a design that for sure comes more out of a luxury vehicle but I’ve grown to enjoy the ease with which it operates and its odd little shape and design.

Good to hear! I haven’t been too keen on the BMW shifter either - so this is welcome news. I had been expecting a manual, given the overall goal and vision - but if it has to be an auto I am really glad it’s a ZF. After test driving a bunch of Jeeps with the ZF i feel like it’s the first auto I’ll be happy with. Shifts are quick and decisive, and the programming seems to keep it in the right gear. This will be my first auto!

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

In light defense of the shifter, I never thought much of them but have recently been driving my wife’s 2016 BMW X3 with the same shifter. Took a little getting used to but it’s actually quite nice. Very clean action, doesn’t take muscle to get it to move, isn’t clunky. It is a design that for sure comes more out of a luxury vehicle but I’ve grown to enjoy the ease with which it operates and its odd little shape and design.

Fantastic news indeed -- how it works is what matters most at the end of the day after all!

Etsy will no doubt have a few people making saddle leather covers or something for it if folks are so inclined!

 

[SkiWill]

What's Europe version of EPA fuel economy called?
Is there a rated fuel economy for the gas Ineos yet?

I recall reading estimated consumption in an Australian review for the petrol/gas engine and it was about as abysmal as you'd expect for such a vehicle. They said it was rated 15-18 mpg in US units. Given the new Defender with a turbo 4 cylinder is only rated 17-20 mpg, I would expect that the 15-18 mpg rating is probably a reasonable guess at this point.

 

[Grassland]

Yeah the small fuel tank is a bummer for range then, but I guess only so much room to fit a tank.
I've been spoiled with my 136 liter tank I don't know if I can go back to a 90 liter for the road trip vehicle.
Even with the price of fuel now. It's $1.80 a liter for 87 here right now and I put $150 in the Transit this week, and it's a 90ish liter tank.

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

Yeah the small fuel tank is a bummer for range then, but I guess only so much room to fit a tank.
I've been spoiled with my 136 liter tank I don't know if I can go back to a 90 liter for the road trip vehicle.
Even with the price of fuel now. It's $1.80 a liter for 87 here right now and I put $150 in the Transit this week, and it's a 90ish liter tank.

I will be interested in what Long Ranger and other aftermarket companies come up with. The petrol option I think has a bigger tank thanks to the lack of DEF, but I don't know if there's even more space in there for an upgrade.

If there isn't, it's not the worlds worst deal breaker in my books -- range is a variable need, not a fixed one. Some trips I need 1,000 kms. Others, my max requirement might only be 200k. For those 1,000km trips, the Grenadier has payload to spare for jerry cans, and that's weight I can shed if I'm just running around on short trips; with a bigger tank, my habits mean that I'm almost always going to be "fill it up to the brim", which means I might be hauling a lot of unnecessary weight day to day.

Ease of use - a big tank wins. But day to day, jerry cans have advantages in terms of versatility that offset the annoyance of how we use them to at least some degree, and the Grenadier can carry a few cans without breaking a sweat.

 

[MontanaAggie]

Those that have seen the 2B in North America has anyone asked Ineos if there will be any changes in another year? With the America delay curious to see if Ineos will be updating more frequent like Tesla or more typical mid model update in 4 years. I could have missed it but would love to see
1) Front facing camera especially for trails
2) Option to remove rear bench for two captain chairs
3) Ventilated seats. Probably goes against their ethos for reliability/less electronics

Definitely no deal breakers so far and glad I have a deposit in. Hope to see them tour through Dallas this year.

 

[Grassland]

There you go ... reason #1 to like MB !!. We're well over$2 for gas on the coast.

I'm with you on the big tank for long road trips. We have dual, and fill on the prairies to save $s and time - I don't want to stop at gas stations on my vacation if I can avoid it, bladder be darned. For tooling around tho, 90L should be okay.

Agree with Chasing, I think I'd opt for jerry cans for my use.

Not loving the 15-18 estimate but I guess it is a retro rig after all .

My V6 truck gets 17-18 on the highway not towing so it's not a game changer for me fuel economy wise, but that's a lot of range.
I think what it's listed for is fair since it's a brick.

 

[Grassland]

I should clarify, I get 13-14 l/100 highway unladen.
Towing our Escape 19 it's like 18-22 l/100 so yeah 11-13 mpg.

The Ineos is retro in that it's not a giant touch screen to operate all of the controls. I like the physical dials and switches.
It's modern in that it isn't saddled with a 4 speed auto, and has a/c.

 

[Paddler Ed]

A bit more commentary from Autocar of Ineos' sales model in the UK:

Why tractor dealers will be able to sell you an Ineos Grenadier | Autocar

By looking at agricultural franchises, Ineos feels it has the perfect fit for the off-roader Grenadier

www.autocar.co.uk

Stand out quote was from one of the ag dealers: “The Grenadier is the boss’s car, while pick-ups are the working vehicles." ie where the Range Rover Classic started out in many ways.

(May be worth opening in a private browser window - they're pushing business content into a subscription model)

 

[Highlander]

I suggested that.

INEOS should team up with John Deere. They have a huge network in the US, trained personal and agricultural profile.
BMW does not ring too much in the heads of farmers / contactors in America or in Australia.

 

[T-Willy]

Payload

I am disappointed to see the final production payload at 1500 - 1900 lbs, where 1900 lbs is for the utility wagon, and the five-seater comes in at 1840 lbs. I really would have liked to have seen this truck meet (or even exceed) its original one-ton payload objective. The originally-advertised payload was one of the objectives that, for my use case, really set this apart from other wagons (in the North American market). Now, 1900 /1840 lb isn't bad, especially relative to other offerings in North America, I just wish they'd hit their original mark for its extra load carrying freeboard.

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[Paddler Ed]

I suggested that.

INEOS should team up with John Deere. They have a huge network in the US, trained personal and agricultural profile.
BMW does not ring too much in the heads of farmers / contactors in America or in Australia.

John Deere is the last one I'd partner with. The reason they have a huge network is because they've locked everyone else out of their systems - and I suspect that they'd want the same model for Ineos. They keep getting dragged into the courts (globally) over the right to repair; as they state in one of these articles, the profit on repairs is many times that of the initial sale:

'Right to repair' taken up by the ACCC in farmers' fight to fix their own tractors

The competition and consumer watchdog has launched an inquiry into whether tractor manufacturers are failing farmers who want the right to repair their own machinery.

www.abc.net.au

Iowa, U.S. farm groups file a federal right-to-repair complaint against Deere to fix their own tractors

The groups say proprietary software in John Deere tractors, combines and other equipment prevents farmers from doing their own repairs.

www.desmoinesregister.com

Farming giant John Deere faces two right-to-repair lawsuits

It's Deere hunting season in Illinois and Alabama

www.theregister.com

I know of a fair few farmer's (wives) who run BMWs around here; contractors? Not so much - they run a Thai built ute or a Land Cruiser.

 

[Highlander]

The reason they have a huge network is because they've locked everyone else out of their systems - and I suspect that they'd want the same model for Ineos.

I did know if JD was that bad.
My point was that they could team up some sort of an agricultural equipment manufacturer.