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From what I've read they're still shooting for end of 2023.

I've not head any rollout timing differential between the GWN and the Great Republic. Indeed, apparently the interest and reservations from Canada exceeded company expectations.

The "several years behind" might be the proposed pick up version. No guarantee, but have read yes for Canada, maybe not for USA (bauk, bauk etc)

I was just at talked to them at Overland Expo East this past weekend. You can reserve now for $450. You will get an email in Jan / Feb asking if you want to convert it to an actual order. Expectation is they will begin shipping in US in December of 2023.

Pricing for US is still not firm, but they referenced the price in the UK is about $79,000 GBP. While the exchange rate is about equal for USD currently they said expect a higher costs for export and shipping.
 
I was just at talked to them at Overland Expo East this past weekend. You can reserve now for $450. You will get an email in Jan / Feb asking if you want to convert it to an actual order. Expectation is they will begin shipping in US in December of 2023.

Pricing for US is still not firm, but they referenced the price in the UK is about $79,000 GBP. While the exchange rate is about equal for USD currently they said expect a higher costs for export and shipping.

That converts to $87,600 USD before exporting and shipping costs. Bummer if true.
 
I was just at talked to them at Overland Expo East this past weekend. You can reserve now for $450. You will get an email in Jan / Feb asking if you want to convert it to an actual order. Expectation is they will begin shipping in US in December of 2023.

Pricing for US is still not firm, but they referenced the price in the UK is about $79,000 GBP. While the exchange rate is about equal for USD currently they said expect a higher costs for export and shipping.

Isn’t the new Defender less expensive than that? And isn’t this supposed to be a ‘return to basics’ vehicle? In fairness, I don’t envy anyone attempting to start a specialized automobile company in this particular day and age, but the price being that far from earlier expectations, and that high, may condense the production life of the Ineos Grenadier to a few years as they’re pricing so many people out. Unless they get military contracts, it’s hard to fathom this kind of a niche product selling enough to stay in production.
 
To be fair, I believe their business model was always predicated on the idea that the majority of production would be towards military and NGO consumers, and the "fancy offroad types" were the gravy. They never really intended to compete solely as a luxury 4x4.
 
Read the Guardian article on Ineos. Most major projects encounter scope creep and unforeseen issues that cause schedule delays and increased cost. Add in the supply chain issues, no wonder about their and our situation.
Two questions for North America -
- We did get to see and sit in one many months ago, will there be an opportunity to drive one prior to converting our pre-order into an order?
- Then for delivery, will a European delivery be an option? Other marques do this like Volvo, etc.
 
I had to re-read that klahanie; at first I thought it said "you'd be hard to get one for less than $100k" but now I realize they mean the exact opposite; even fully belled-and-whistled, you won't hit $100k. I blame the lack of coffee this morning!

When I do a VERY quick build-and-price of it's competition for folks like us (The 4-Runner, the Ranger, the Gladiator), the Ranger comes out in the mid- to high- $60s with the tremor, but you'd need to spend another $3-$5k on a cap which would never be quite water and dustproof. The 4-Runner comes in at the low $70s as does the Gladiator (which would also need the cap treatment to make it comparable to the Gren for cargo protection, and it would never be quite as good as a proper wagon). I don't have time to do more but I've done this a few times, and it always makes the Grenadier seem more competitive for what we are getting for the money. None of the above vehicles have the same payload or towing capacity, for instance.

I'm not saying it's the same -- if "you'd be hard pressed to hit $100k" means that with all the options you are at $98k, then we're talking about over $30k difference, which is significant. But even built out to the max in terms of capability, the competition still doesn't quite match what the Grenadier is offering. For the right buyer (like me) that extra 500lbs payload, 700 lbs towing, and the wagon configuration is worth a bit of a premium over the others on the market. Maybe not a $30k premium in my case, but mine isn't spec'd that high and I am comfortable paying $10-$15k more for the Grenadiers capability over what I would get in a Jeep/4Runner/Mid-size truck.

I also think the Aftermarket will allow us to "up-spec" a Gren with things like racks, snorkels, bumpers, etc. for potentially a good bit less than one can get those same things from the Factory.
 
Of course they're wracking up huge losses. They're not delivering vehicles yet. It takes a lot of upfront capital to start a car company, which is why this is Jim Ratcliffe's project and not mine. If the costs get towards $100k USD, you'll never see these actually in the wild. It will become another G class. At $59k GBP or $65k USD for one with locking diffs is probably the upper end of what I would consider. Too many other options if this is more like $75k and up. Want payload and more space? Go domestic full size. The underdog: a Land Rover Defender which actually has more towing and payload (yikes!). Jeeps, Broncos, Lexus GX460, 4Runner, etc. all with proven aftermarket and dealer network support. I want this to succeed and be priced competitively, but I'm also not extremely optimistic that it will be. Also, I'll be incredibly impressed if they actually start shipping to North America in 2023. I have a project I'm managing and what should be a fairly common 8" valve was just quoted as a 36 week lead item for a stupid valve. Considering all the parts and supply chains that have to be established for the Grenadier, and there's no way 2023 is realistic.
 
@SkiWill - not sure if you were responding to my post or not, but of note, klahanie and my post were discussing a price point of under $100,000 Canadian Dollars; in the exchange rate, that works out to being about $73,000 United States dollars, which is very competitive for the high end of the numbers you have posted given this was described as being a figure that one would be "hard pressed" to reach.

Fully agree with everything you said though; I just wanted to clarify that currency conversion as it can throw perceptions in the conversation off and I realized I didn't specify.
 
I’ll definitely be more confident when I get my slot at actually driving one! I’m hoping we get to test drive before the next deposit deadline.
 
I finally got to see one in person at Overland Expo East and was pretty impressed with the look and feel of the demo especially like the steel wheels and use/placement of buttons. A few concerns (besides the amount of markup these units will get when the hit the US) is how the service network will work (rep could not answer this yet) and although a small gripe for me the rear passenger seats do not fold flat which I feel is a miss.
 
Apparently the first mass produced Greandiers are leaving the factory right now.

Yes I got an email this morning with the following statement:

A landmark moment. Another major milestone. And music to all our ears. We’ve started series production of our rugged 4X4.

That’s right. Grenadiers are now rolling off the production line at our facility, in Hambach. All thanks to the hard work and dedication of the INEOS Automotive team, our development partners, and our suppliers – plus your continued belief in and support of the project, of course.

It’s been quite the journey since we started out in 2017. Now we’re one step closer to getting Grenadiers out into the world. We can’t wait.
 

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