Lexus GX550 Overtrail vs. Grenadier or new Toyota Land Cruiser?

[plainjaneFJC]

Ineos seems like a fringe, cringe? brand. Going for land rover looks, and hopefully better-than land rover reliability. Good luck finding parts. I wouldn't go anywhere near one compared to a reputable model line like the Toyota Land Cruiser.

As for GX vs LC? Same vehicle. The GX550 is just a bloated, tricked-out Toyota.... like every other Lexus. I say that as a Lexus owner. How many fancy features do you want?

Based on the reputation associated with the looks alone, the Grenadier seems more comparable to a literal grenade when stacked against a couple Toyotas. No thanks. Not even close.

Different motors though. You’ve got a twin turbo non hybrid v6 Lexus or a turbo 4 cylinder hybrid in the Toyota

 

[beef tits]

Different motors though. You’ve got a twin turbo non hybrid v6 Lexus or a turbo 4 cylinder hybrid in the Toyota

I think my point remains, how many fancy features & added weight do you want?? They'll both be great I'm sure, but it's basically the same vehicle.

The base 1958 LC is the obvious choice to me... plenty of power, better MPG, lighter weight, and simpler. They all come with a rear locker and it looks like there is room for some pretty fat tires on them both.

 

[Umbrarian]

The base 1958 LC is the obvious choice to me... plenty of power, better MPG, lighter weight, and simpler. They all come with a rear locker and it looks like there is room for some pretty fat tires on the LC.

If that works for you great, for others the 550 is the obvious choice or something else.

 

[Dougnuts]

I have my opinions, but I think this question will be best answered about 12-18 months from now. The LC and GX550 aren't even out yet.

A few notes:

The LC is hybrid only, and I don't think it will have any more maintenance requirements than the GX. Many Tundras and all of the Sequoia's are also hybrid. The biggest risk, that I can think of, would be corrosion to cables or connectors.

I'm not sure why people are afraid of hybrids. I own two, as well as a TTV6, and I like the idea of a single turbo w/ hybrid.

The LC and GX Overtrail are 2 row only. The GX is available with 3 rows, but not in Overtrail trim.

 

[Umbrarian]

I'm not sure why people are afraid of hybrids. I own two, as well as a TTV6, and I like the idea of a single turbo w/ hybrid.

Problem with the hybrid is not fear, but they do not offer anything useful. No increase in range or MPG. But they are a added failure point and in the case of the Sequoia, they take up a lot of cargo space.

 

[T-Willy]

Problem with the hybrid is not fear, but they do not offer anything useful. No increase in range or MPG. But they are a added failure point and in the case of the Sequoia, they take up a lot of cargo space.

False. Toyota's Canada website states that the 2.4L turbo hybrid Land Cruiser will achieve 27 mpg. That is a dramatic improvement in efficiency (and range) over the GX550 and any previous Land Cruiser offering in North America. Toyota's hybrid systems are extremely reliable and long-lived.

 

[T-Willy]

I think my point remains, how many fancy features & added weight do you want?? They'll both be great I'm sure, but it's basically the same vehicle.

The base 1958 LC is the obvious choice to me... plenty of power, better MPG, lighter weight, and simpler. They all come with a rear locker and it looks like there is room for some pretty fat tires on them both.

I expect that, given its combination of capability, reliability, longevity, capacity, and efficiency, the 1958 will be the best remote touring wagon ever offered in the U.S. market.

 

[Dougnuts]

Problem with the hybrid is not fear, but they do not offer anything useful. No increase in range or MPG. But they are a added failure point and in the case of the Sequoia, they take up a lot of cargo space.

Toyota has not been shy about sharing that the hybrid system in those vehicles is there to add power, not range or MPG.

As I alluded to above, I don't see adding a hybrid system as any more complex than adding another turbo. If the GX550 is as hard to work on as the Tundra, the LC will also have a huge advantage for the home mechanic at some (far) future date.

 

[Umbrarian]

False. Toyota's Canada website states that the 2.4L turbo hybrid Land Cruiser will achieve 27 mpg. That is a dramatic improvement in efficiency (and range) over the GX550 and any previous Land Cruiser offering in North America. Toyota's hybrid systems are extremely reliable and long-lived.

What does it achieve without it? That was my point. It adds nothing in mpg or range. It does add low end torque below 18 mph (which is when it shuts off), so it is not totally useless.

The 27 mpg number is not official and the web page has been updated ("Fuel economy estimates will be announced closer to Land Cruiser’s on-sale date.").

At an invite only event at Toyota Motor North America HQ I spoke directly to the engineers and they confirmed this.

 

[Umbrarian]

Toyota has not been shy about sharing that the hybrid system in those vehicles is there to add power, not range or MPG.

Which makes it so surprising many think it does add mpg or range.

 

[Dougnuts]

. It does add low end torque below 18 mph (which is when it shuts off),

That is not correct, the electric motor does work past 18mph.

 

[Umbrarian]

That is not correct, the electric motor does work past 18mph.

Correct, I meant to say it can be electric only up to 18 mph. After that the ICE is on. Hence why it does not contribute to any significant MPG or range.

 

[Sooper Camper]

BMW Turbo and 'reliability' do not typically occupy the same paragraph in a positive manner. I know several people who make a great living patching them back together, and everyone I know who's owned one, stopped at one (and I'm not even counting my personal experience with a Mini Cooper since it was a Peugeot engine at the time).

I'm no Toyota fan boy, but can't imagine choosing a new/off brand with BMW power over house brand Toyota/Lexus.

Looking under the Grenadier, it looks an awful lot like a JL...so I have to wonder why you'd choose the IG over a Jeep, aside from aesthetics and wanting to be the life of the party as someone earlier noted. The GX550 sure looks like a cool offering for todays market if you're into new vehicles.

 

[plainjaneFJC]

Correct, I meant to say it can be electric only up to 18 mph. After that the ICE is on. Hence why it does not contribute to any significant MPG or range.

Are you sure? I can run 40 pretty easy in my Highlander hybrid on total electric from a dead stop if on level ground.

 

[plainjaneFJC]

BMW Turbo and 'reliability' do not typically occupy the same paragraph in a positive manner. I know several people who make a great living patching them back together, and everyone I know who's owned one, stopped at one (and I'm not even counting my personal experience with a Mini Cooper since it was a Peugeot engine at the time).

I'm no Toyota fan boy, but can't imagine choosing a new/off brand with BMW power over house brand Toyota/Lexus.

Looking under the Grenadier, it looks an awful lot like a JL...so I have to wonder why you'd choose the IG over a Jeep, aside from aesthetics and wanting to be the life of the party as someone earlier noted. The GX550 sure looks like a cool offering for todays market if you're into new vehicles.

I assume it’s a payload difference- and wanting to be “sophisticated”.