LR3 Help

[muskyman]

so, original poster... did your friend get the LR3 yet? Just tell him any minivan will do, if he will.

see nathen...that was funny:sombrero:

 

[Antichrist]

So would a stripped distributor gear, which new trucks don't have (there's one Tom).

Nope, sorry, you missed.

Outside of the carburetor and distributor/coil, what does a LR3 not have that my '79 Series had when it had a petrol engine.

COP also does away with all the spark plug wires and their myriad problems (there's another part a modern truck doesn't have Tom).

Nope, missed again.

Outside of the carburetor and distributor/coil....

And... a carburetted vehicle with a failed low pressure fuel pump still runs? No! Fuel pump for fuel pump, straight up trade on potential failres there.

Sorry, no. On a carburetted vehicle simply stick a fuel can on the roof with a siphon hose running to the carburettor and off you go. Same can be done with a diesel. I've found gravity to be very reliable.

The only thing holding us back from this nirvana, is the assinine policies of the automakers. I wish they'd realize that these proprietary systems hurt the reputation of the brands (as we are seeing here), as well as the resale value of their cars, which impacts on people's purchase decisions.

There I agree with you, and I've been saying it for years. Once out of warranty these things will be so expensive to maintain people won't be buying them for trail rigs and it's going to kill the market for new sales.
Well, agree with you for the most part, but I wouldn't want to depend on a laptop to "fix" my car. I deal with computer technology every day as my job. I use mapping software on my laptop in my car, but I carry paper maps as well. I also carry a compass.

25 years ago I might agree with you but mechanical fuel pumps have become much better because of material improvements.

Even so, the mechanical fuel pump failures, at least in Land Rovers, are diaphragm failure. A spare, which is cheap, can be carried in a 35mm film canister. And most knowledgeable Series owners keep a spare, especially if they are traveling. The fuel pump failure on my D1 was a major PITA.

The failures I am sure Tom was speaking of were related to the D1's where a failure resulted in such a dramatic amount of reduced braking that most people just pulled the fuse after the first occurence

Yup.

In general, I totally get why we have the engine management systems we have today. Why they've gone, in general, they direction they've gone. And no, I'm not afraid of them. I'm not afraid of electrics and electronics. I can, in fact, read and work with wiring schematics and, to an extent, printed circuits. But I clearly see that people have become enamoured of technology and often add it to places it shouldn't be without any thought to the failure mode.
Big companies can buy carbon offsets (actually individuals can too for certain things) if they are using older technology. I think people should be allowed to do that as well. If I want a new basic Defender, say, something with sliding windows, 5-speed gearbox, and a 2.8 litre PS diesel, Land Rover should be allowed to sell me one if I pay, say $1,000 "fee", or even $5,000. In the scheme of things, I don't think there are many of us who would really take that option, so the effect would be minimal.

 

[Toy-Roverlander]

once again a stupid post that has nothing to do with the subject.

I've read nearly all of it so far.. I got to page 4 and read the above...

I don't know, but about 90 percent of all these post has got NOTHING to do with the subject..!

This person asked what to look for when buying a LR3, and what does he get.. A lot of bull****ting about whether it's a good truck or not...

Instead of biting each others head of, how about helping this guy out and give him the advice he asked for.


Just my views....

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Tom, you asked for a list of parts that exist on a old truck that don't exist on a new one. I'd be curious to see an old LR with a petrol engine that doesn't have a distributor gear or spark plug wires.

Meh, anyway, for a bit of levity, don't know if you've seen this yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrk6vsb77xk

And I should point out, that even though the Top Gear folks are rabid British car fans, to a fault, they didn't use ANY LR for this piece.

 

[Antichrist]

Tom, you asked for a list of parts that exist on a old truck that don't exist on a new one. I'd be curious to see an old LR with a petrol engine that doesn't have a distributor gear or spark plug wires.

"outside of" means "except for". That means I acknowledge older ones have carbs and distributors/coils/plug wires.

 

[R_Lefebvre]

"outside of" means "except for". That means I acknowledge older ones have carbs and distributors/coils/plug wires.

Oh, so we can just exclude any mission critical items from the discussion when defending older vehicles? That makes sense.

I once pulled 2 push rods and cut the connecting rod off a piston to shut down a cylinder that tossed a rod

not only did it get home but the owner of the truck drove it around like that for a few weeks until he found a motor to swap in.

desert repair tactics...either fix it or stay in the desert!

So you just happened to be carrying a gasket set? Removed the lower half of the rod? Left the piston in the bore and it didn't fall into the crankcase?

What type of vehicle was it, and why did it throw a rod anyway?

 

[Antichrist]

Oh, so we can just exclude any mission critical items from the discussion when defending older vehicles? That makes sense.

ok...I understand you want to avoid the question, so let me make it even easier for you.
Name one thing that a diesel LR3 doesn't have that my Series diesel has.
See? I'm not even asking for 5 this time.

 

[muskyman]

So you just happened to be carrying a gasket set? Removed the lower half of the rod? Left the piston in the bore and it didn't fall into the crankcase?

What type of vehicle was it, and why did it throw a rod anyway?

no gasket set needed we just used some gasket goo to reseal the Pan.

the piston was jammed in the bore with the lions share of the rod still attatched so we cut the rod off. The bottom of the rod was left on the crank because it still was intact and we wanted to maintain oil pressure the best we could.

the engine was a 304 AMC motor in a jeep CJ it threw the rod because it was old and beat and the driver was convinced that more skinny peddle was the best way to go through a huge mud bog.

Here Rob want another one?

I was once with a group of guys wheeling in two trucks, me in a scout and a different Jeep CJ. The CJ suffered a failed master cylinder and when trying to get it off the trail my scouts alternator failed.

we ended up towing the jeep while it idled on a tow bar with jumper cables running from its battery to the battery in my scout. We drove like that for about 50 miles to the nearest auto parts store where we slept until it opened in the morning. we replaced the master cylinder and the alternator and headed back to the trail for the rest of the weekend.


See the theme here Rob? Wheeling has always been a thinking mans game, Not only do you need to think your way down a tough trail you need to think your way out of problems and help your self. I learned long ago not to loose my head and get upset by the issues that always happen when out on the trail. I learned to take them as a challenge and think my way through them and come up with solutions that allow you to move on.

Your personal experience with other vehicles will help you for sure when in those spots as long as you keep the right attitude and allow yourself to solve the problem. In the end these situations will be some of the more memorable trips and they can even be fun in alot of cases.

Thom

 

[Antichrist]

we ended up towing the jeep while it idled on a tow bar....

And if you hadn't had a tow bar a spare removed from the rim would have worked. Bodges and dodges

 

[proper4wd]

ok...I understand you want to avoid the question, so let me make it even easier for you.
Name one thing that a diesel LR3 doesn't have that my Series diesel has.
See? I'm not even asking for 5 this time.

Hmmmm

Depending on the year, a generator, external voltage regulator, drum brakes/wheel cylinders, mechanical lift pump, GLASS FUSES...

It is hard though. Most things have been reincarnated and still exist in slightly different form. You could get into things like leaf springs, solid axles, cast iron engine, etc but I think that would help prove your point

 

[muskyman]

And if you hadn't had a tow bar a spare removed from the rim would have worked. Bodges and dodges

right on!!:clapsmile

see Tom I know you get, you have been there.

People want to attack my posts but I just think of things in a more practicle light because I am out there doing it ,having fun and enjoying the journey of it all.

My comments about the LR3 are in direct relation to it's use as a outback or off road truck. When anything happens you have very few options. That is just the nature of newer more complicated vehicles.

 

[ShottsCruisers]

I simply said that simple wins when it comes to a true expedition truck.

Maybe when referring to a LR product. (Though not all products) There are late-model products out there with all the new gizmos (FI, distributorless, etc,) that are far more reliable than basic products like a D1, etc.

 

[proper4wd]

That's the second time you've come Toyota-stroking in this thread! By the values discussed in this thread, you would be just as screwed in a new US spec Land Cruiser as in an LR3.

Maybe when referring to a LR product. (Though not all products) There are late-model products out there with all the new gizmos (FI, distributorless, etc,) that are far more reliable than basic products like a D1, etc.

 

[muskyman]

Maybe when referring to a LR product. (Though not all products) There are late-model products out there with all the new gizmos (FI, distributorless, etc,) that are far more reliable than basic products like a D1, etc.

yeah well we read this yesterday when you posted the exact same thing in this thread LOL

I read your build up thread and I know you think your truck is impervious to failure...I hope that attitude works out for you

I never said the D1 was the end all, infact it has a number of short comings that I prepare for when I hit the trail. thats part of being prepared.

 

[traveltoad]

Wheeling has always been a thinking mans game, Not only do you need to think your way down a tough trail you need to think your way out of problems and help your self.

Key word... game. These "problems" are part of what make all of this fun. (At least for me.)