More proof that Jeep is the leader in 4x4 overland vehicles

[k9lestat]

My daddys meaner than your daddy.....

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[GR8ADV]

Older jeeps are so reliable and desirable that NGOs around the world have been racing to snap up models from the 80s and 90s.

oh wait....

Now move the light back and forth really quickly. :wings::wings:

 

[grimbo]

My perfect vehicle would have:

rail frame system, no uni body.
solid front and rear axles that are strong and easy to service.
part time 4 wheel drive.
transfer case that will be able to use all four wheels or just the front or just the rear.
Manual locking hubs front and rear.
Large fuel tank
Real bumpers front and rear with towing capabilities.
Large radiator
Large cooling for automatic transmission
snorkel with pre-filter
protection for the radiator
no power windows or seats
diesel engine large enough to go up hills but not fast enough to win race.
Good ground clearance
no bling
light weight
everything serviceable
dual batteries.
Solar trickle charge for the batteries.
Rack for jerry cans
power outlets front and rear
not to big not to small
built in roll bar system
Service manual

So a Nissan Patrol GU then

 

[LandCruiserPhil]

What this thread has proven (without dispute) is you can experience overland travel successfully in near stock vehicles from many manufactures. All vehicles can and will break in due time its up to you to minimize breakage with routine maintenance and inspections.

For me to replace my old reliable equipped Land Cruiser with a close comparable jeep model would be north of 50K. No thanks I will use the excess funds for gas for real expo travel and less web wheeling.

 

[JIMBO]

:sombrero: I like the tone and substance of that statement-

What this thread has proven (without dispute) is you can experience overland travel successfully in near stock vehicles from many manufactures. All vehicles can and will break in due time its up to you to minimize breakage with routine maintenance and inspections.

For me to replace my old reliable equipped Land Cruiser with a close comparable jeep model would be north of 50K. No thanks I will use the excess funds for gas for real expo travel and less web wheeling.

Thanx LCP

:costumed-smiley-007:wings: JIMBO

 

[Omar Brannstrom]

See this movie

A South african wanted the the ultimate expedition vehicle and choosed a Landcruiser 78 Troopy. It is a exelent plattform, but according to him, the ride is terrible, the brakes are bad, it is noisy, the engine is under powered so it will be a costly project to make it good. He had to change the suspension, change the brakes?, Covered the interior vith some special sound proofing mats, he had to turbo boost the engine, and much more.

Intresting videos

 

[marktutone]

So a Nissan Patrol GU then

If I lived in Australia a patrol would be my number one pick.
I have had good luck with Nissan.

 

[libarata]

If I lived in Australia a patrol would be my number one pick.
I have had good luck with Nissan.

If only they sold them here...

 

[marktutone]

I have been going back and forth on what I want to buy but check the below out.
I think I will be purchasing this vehicle.

This is your... 2014 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited WILLYS WHEELER 4X4

$ 31,385
Net Price+
Buy $443 + | Lease $335 +
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Exterior
Dune Clear Coat Exterior Paint
Interior
Black Interior Color

Model
WRANGLER UNLIMITED WILLYS WHEELER 4X4
$29,995
Colors
Black Interior Color $0
Dune Clear Coat Exterior Paint $0
$0
Options
Uconnect® 130 AM/FM/CD/MP3 $0
Cloth Seats with Adjustable Head Restraints $0
3.6-Liter V6 24-Valve VVT Engine $0
6-Speed Manual Transmission $0
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating $0
Max Tow Package $395
$395
Payment Summary
Buy Lease
Monthly Payments $443 $335
MSRP* $29,995 $29,995
Options Subtotal $395 $395
Destination Charges $995 $995
Down Payment -$3,139 (10%) -$3,139 (10%)
Term Duration 72 months 48 months
Annual Percentage Rate(APR) 4.04% 4.64%
Estimated Selling Price $28,246 -
Estimated Capitalized Costs - $28,246
*MSRP excludes destination, taxes, title and registration fees. Starting at price refers to the base model, optional equipment not included. A more expensive model may be shown. Pricing and offers may change at any time without notification. To get full pricing details, see your dealer.

What's Included

Interior
Cloth Seats with Adjustable Head Restraints

Exterior
17-Inch x 7.5-Inch High Gloss Black Willys Wheels
LT255/75R17 BSW Off-Road Tires
Performance Suspension

Powertrain
3.6-Liter V6 24-Valve VVT Engine
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating

Standard Features

Model HighLights

Key Features

Additional Key Features
Willys Wheeler Package
Deep Tint Sunscreen Windows
Sunrider® Soft Top
Rock Rails
Leather-Wrapped Steering Wheel
Steering Wheel Mounted Audio Controls
Willys Hood Decal
Wrangler Decal - Low Gloss Black
Slush Mats by Mopar®

Engine/Transmission
3.6-Liter V6 24-Valve VVT Engine
6-Speed Manual Transmission
Command-Trac® Shift-on-the-Fly 4WD System
Next Generation Dana® 30 Solid Front Axle
Next Generation Dana® 44 Heavy Duty Rear Axle
3.73 Axle Ratio
Multimedia
Uconnect® 130 AM/FM/CD/MP3
SiriusXM Satellite Radio w/ 1-Yr Radio Subscription
Connectivity Group with Bluetooth® Hands-Free
Seating
Cloth Seats with Adjustable Head Restraints
Wheels/Tires
17-Inch x 7.5-Inch High Gloss Black Willys Wheels
LT255/75R17 BSW Off-Road Tires

EPA est. MPG
16 city/21 hwy

Interior & Exterior

Additional Features

100-MPH Primary Speedometer
12-Volt Auxiliary Power Outlet
160-Amp Alternator
22.5-Gallon Fuel Tank
4-Wheel Disc Brakes
4-Wheel Drive Swing Gate Decal
600-Amp Maintenance Free Battery
Audio Jack Input for Mobile Devices
Base Interior Accents
Black Front Bumper
Black Rear Bumper
Black Sunrider® Soft Top
Body-Color Grille
Cargo Compartment Floor Mat
Cargo Tie Down Loops
Center High-Mount Stop Lamp
Chrome / Leather-Wrapped Shift Knob
Complete Chassis Parts Module
Conventional Differential Front Axle
Driver Seat Height Adjuster
Dual Note Electric Horns
Electronic Roll Mitigation
Electronic Stability Control
Electronic Vehicle Information Center
Engine Oil Cooler
Fog Lamps
Front Dome with On / Off Switch Lamp
Front Door Tinted Glass
Front Passenger Seat Belt Alert
Front Seat Area Carpet
Front Seatback Map Pockets
Front Stabilizer Bar
Fuel Tank Skid Plate Shield
Full Metal Doors with Roll-up Windows
Full Size Spare Tire
Full-Length Floor Console
Glove Box
Halogen Headlamps
Hill Start Assist
Hydraulic Assist Brake Booster
Individual Tire Pressure Monitoring Display
Leather-Wrapped Steering Wheel
Low-Back Bucket Seats
Non-Locking Fuel Filler Cap
Performance Suspension
Power Rack-and-Pinion Steering
Premium Instrument Cluster with Tachometer
Protective Coating and Remover
Rear 60 / 40 Folding Seat
Rear Compartment Covered Storage
Rear Dome with On / Off Switch Lamp
Rear Passenger Assist Handles Kit
Rear Seat / Wheelhouse / Cargo Carpet
Rear Stabilizer Bar
Rear-Seat Adjustable Head Restraints
Rearview Day / Night Mirror
Reclining Front Seats
Rock Rails
Seat Parts Module
Sentry Key® Theft Deterrent System
Sliding Sun Visors with Mirrors
Slush Mats by Mopar®
Speed Control
Sport Bar with Full Padding
Storage Tray
Sunrider® Soft Top
Temperature and Compass Gauge
Tethered Fuel Filler Cap
Tilt Steering Column
Trac-Lok® Differential Rear Axle
Traction Control
Trailer Sway Damping
Transfer Case Skid Plate Shield
Two Front Tow Hooks and One Rear Tow Hook
Uconnect® Voice Command with Bluetooth®
Variable Intermittent Windshield Wipers
Willys Hood Decal
Willys Wheeler Package
Wrangler Decal - Low Gloss Black

Climate Control Options

Air Conditioning

Exterior Paint Procedures

Monotone Paint

Glass

Deep Tint Sunscreen Windows
Tinted Windshield Glass

GVWR Packages

Gross Vehicle Weight Rating

Mirrors

Manual Fold-Away Mirrors

Sound System Components

Fixed Long Mast Antenna
SiriusXM Satellite Radio w/ 1-Yr Radio Subscription
Steering Wheel Mounted Audio Controls

Speaker Systems

6 Speakers
Remote USB Port

Tires

BF Goodrich® Brand Tires
LT255/75R17 BSW Off-Road Tires

Wheels

17-Inch x 7.5-Inch High Gloss Black Willys Wheels

Performance

Engine

3.6-Liter V6 24-Valve VVT Engine

Transmission

6-Speed Manual Transmission

Safety & Security

Convenience/Security Options

Advanced Multistage Front Airbags
Manual Door Locks
Manual Windows

Dimensions & Capacities

Exterior Dimensions

Ground Clearance - at curb weight - Approach Angle:40.6
Ground Clearance - at curb weight - Breakover Angle:17.8
Ground Clearance - at curb weight - Departure Angle:37.4
Ground Clearance - at curb weight - Running Ground Clearance:8.7
Overall Body Width:73.7
Overall Height - With Hardtop:70.9
Overall Height - With Soft Top:Not Available
Overall Length:173.4
Overhang - Front:26.7
Overhang - Rear:30.6
Track - Front:61.9
Track - Rear:61.9
Turning Diameter - curb-to-curb - Left:41.2
Turning Diameter - curb-to-curb - Right:41.2
Wheelbase:116.0

Interior Dimensions

Cargo Capacity - Behind First-Row Seat:70.6
Cargo Capacity - Behind Second-Row Seat:31.5
Head Room - Front:41.3
Head Room - Rear:40.4
Hip Room - Front:55.6
Hip Room - Rear:56.7
Leg Room - Front:41.0
Leg Room - Rear:37.2
Passenger Interior Volume:104.0
Seating Capacity - Maximum Seating:5
Seating Capacity - Standard Seating:5
Shoulder Room - Front:55.8
Shoulder Room - Rear:56.8
Trunk Lift-Over Height:27.8

Capacities/Weights

Base Curb Weight - Automatic Trans:4100
Base Curb Weight - Manual Trans:4075
Capacity/Weights - Fuel Tank Capacity:22.5
Capacity/Weights - Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) :5400
Payload Capacity - Standard:1000
Towing Capacity - Maximum:3500
Weight Distribution - Automatic Trans - Front :50.0
Weight Distribution - Automatic Trans - Rear:50.0
Weight Distribution - Manual Trans - Front:50.0
Weight Distribution - Manual Trans - Rear:50.0

Basics

Brakes - Frontisc
Brakes - Rearisc
Driveline Configuration:4WD-PT
EPA Classification:SUV4WD
Maximum Number of Doors:4
Steering:Recirc
Suspension - Front:Live
Suspension - Rear:Live
Tires - Aspect Ratio:75
Tires - Construction:R
Tires - Spare Tire Type:Full Size
Tires - Type
Tires - Wheel Diameter:16.0
Tires - Width:225
Tops - Standard Top:SR
Vehicle Type:Sport Utility

Mobility

Body Opening Width :33.2
Open Door Angle:75
Open Door Trim to Body:31.4
Seat Cushion Height from Ground:33.8
Seat Cushion to Rocker Panel:10.9
Step-Out Height :3.2
Step-Out Width:10.1
Step-Over Height from Ground:22.7

Warranty

Basic - Miles:36,000
Basic - Months:36
Powertrain - Miles:100,000
Powertrain - Months:60
Roadside Assistance - Miles:100,000
Roadside Assistance - Months:60
Rust-Through - Miles:100,000
Rust-Through - Months:60

 

[kojackJKU]

Good choice.

 

[FJC Scout]

Do Jeeps still use the engine that powers Dodge mini-vans? What will Fiat do to them besides the switch to IFS?


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[Omar Brannstrom]

Do Jeeps still use the engine that powers Dodge mini-vans? What will Fiat do to them besides the switch to IFS?

Before they did have a 3.8 liters engine, now Wrangler and other Jeeps and other models in Chrysler group have the 3.6 liters Pentastar V6 engine. If I remember correct it has about 80 HP more than the old 3.8 liters engine. A Wrangler today have about the same acceleration that some of the old American muscle cars. The Pentastar have
similar performance to a old small V8.

We dont yeat know if Wrangler will have IFS or what Fiat and Chrysler will do with the Wrangler. People just speculate, we will probably know year 2017

 

[Omar Brannstrom]

Howdy

I found this comparisson, Wrangler with 3.6 liters Pentastar against old muscle cars.

"Here are some numbers from 1960 to 1970's "muscle cars", (0 to 60 and 1/4 mile times)...All I say is that a 6.6 second for a 4x4 Wrangler with a V6 is not bad.
1973 Pontiac Firebird 455ci 7.3 15.0
1974 Pontiac Firebird 400ci 10.4 17.1
1975 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 400 9.8 16.8
1975 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 455 7.8 16.1
1977 Pontiac Firebird Formula 12.0 17.9
1978 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 6.5 15.3
1972 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 7.5 15.5
1974 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 8.1 15.4
1975 Chevrolet Camaro 350 11.0 17.4
1975 Chevrolet Camaro RS 8.5 16.8
1967 Chevrolet Corvette L71 5.6 13.8
1968 Chevrolet Corvette 327 7.7 15.6
1968 Chevrolet Corvette 427 6.3 14.1
1969 Chevrolet Corvette 427ci 435hp 5.3 13.8 (C&D Sep '69)
1970 Chevrolet Corvette 427 6.1 14.3
1973 Corvette 350ci L82 6.7 15.1 (C&D Dec '72)
1973 Corvette 454ci 6.4 14.6 (C&D Dec '72)
1975 Chevrolet Corvette 350 9.6 16.4
1976 Chevrolet Corvette 350 8.1 16.5
1977 Chevrolet Corvette 8.8 16.6
1979 Chevrolet Corvette L82 7.3 15.7
1980 Chevrolet Corvette L82 7.4 15.4
1967 Ford Mustang (390ci V8 w/4spd) 7.4 15.6
1971 Ford Mustang (351ci V8 w/4spd) 5.8 13.8
1973 Ford Mustang 351ci 8.9 16.3
1974 Ford Mustang II 4sp 14.2 18.8
1974 Ford Mustang II Auto 15.6 19.4
1975 Ford Mustang II (302ci V8 w/3spd) 9.6 17.5
1977 Ford Mustang II 302ci 11.3 17.7
1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 6.5 14.9 (C&D Feb '70

 

[Omar Brannstrom]

Hi

Some Wrangler acceleration videos from Youtube

Here is a 2012 year wrangler with the slower 3.21 axle ratio and auto. I think it is faster if it had 3.73 in axle ratio and had manual box. I am not used to big engines so I find My wrangler little bit scary with al the power.

 

[kojackJKU]

Before they did have a 3.8 liters engine, now Wrangler and other Jeeps and other models in Chrysler group have the 3.6 liters Pentastar V6 engine. If I remember correct it has about 80 HP more than the old 3.8 liters engine. A Wrangler today have about the same acceleration that some of the old American muscle cars. The Pentastar have
similar performance to a old small V8.

We dont yeat know if Wrangler will have IFS or what Fiat and Chrysler will do with the Wrangler. People just speculate, we will probably know year 2017

guess what its still a minivan engine. my 3.8 gets me around just fine, the 3.6 has its own pile of issues. at least the 3.8 is rock solid. no head problems or such.