The bigger the truck, the greater the (misplaced?) concern about payload?

[Porkchopexpress]

Go back a few years you will see the Dana 60 and Dana 80. However, I did correct myself and provided Ford documentation for available options.
If you will note in the above attachments, the M275 is the lighter axle.

The document posted above, ("35) seems off without context. It reads "Ford Sterling M275" in the same column but that is 2 different axles. Ford makes the Sterling and Dana makes the M275. Also, I believe the M275 comes with every Diesel SRW including F250s. The Dana also come with the 4.30 differential option on gasoline Super Duties. Otherwise both F350 and F250 gas come with the Sterling in 3.73 or 3.55 ratios respectively. Tremors all come with the M275 and my understanding is that an F250 and F350 Tremor is mechanically identical.

 

[NoTraxx]

The document posted above, ("35) seems off without context. It reads "Ford Sterling M275" in the same column but that is 2 different axles. Ford makes the Sterling and Dana makes the M275. Also, I believe the M275 comes with every Diesel SRW including F250s. The Dana also come with the 4.30 differential option on gasoline Super Duties. Otherwise both F350 and F250 gas come with the Sterling in 3.73 or 3.55 ratios respectively. Tremors all come with the M275 and my understanding is that an F250 and F350 Tremor is mechanically identical.

Not sure what context, you mean? If your’e talking about the screen shot, it did not capture everything. That is why I linked the entire document and specified a page number. The screen shot was just a quick reference for folks that do not want to read through the BBAS doc.
I would like to see the Tremor build sheet for both the 250 and 350.

 

[Porkchopexpress]

Not sure what context, you mean?

The document lists two different axles lumped together listing specs down the column but the Dana M275 and Sterling 10.5 have different dimensions so it doesn't make sense. Unless I am missing something, I think it is a Typo and should read "Dana M275".
Or, maybe Ford bought the rights to manufacture it in house.

 

[NoTraxx]

Are you talking about the F350 SRW column? The F250 column only lists 1 axle the M275.

 

[NoTraxx]

Oh yeah, for the 2019 or 2022?
I am just trying to make sure we are looking at the same thing.

 

[tacollie]

Are you talking about the F350 SRW column? The F250 column only lists 1 axle the M275.

You have them flipped around. Per your document the F250 comes with the sterling 10.5 rear axle. The F350 comes standard with the m275. The m275 is a bigger axle. Both have the Dana 60 front axle. The document doesn't mention you can order a F250 with a m275 and larger spring pack. You can also order them with the exact same wheels and tires.

Before 2017 the Sterling 10.5 was the standard axle for both F250 and F350. 2011-2016 the srw f250 and f350 trucks were pretty much identical except the F350 got taller leaf spring blocks.

It does appear for 2023 the F350 has gotten beefed up even more.

 

[grindmonkey]

While anecdotal, I believe much of the mid size crowd does look at their vehicles and what the payload/capability ratings are in the rest of the world. Many vehicles throughout Europe are used to tow trailers. Seeing a VW or Mercedes station wagon towing a travel trailer (or horse trailer) in Europe is not uncommon. A mid size truck for many in Europe does duties that US people would only ever use a HD truck. So a mid size truck is a very capable machine.

The big difference comes as many have noted from the regulatory restrictions and how the vehicles "can" be operated. In the US everyone wants to pull their travel trailer or drive their overloaded Tacoma at 75+ mph. Crazy!!!! So you have to now adjust the vehicles legal capability.

In Europe many countries restrict personal vehicles towing not only to a max speed (regardless of a higher road speed limit) but even lower limits depending on the type of road. If you are driving in an urban area it is usually limited to 30 mph and highways 50-60 mph (country dependant). I believe Australia is similar but I have no experience there.

This adjustment I believe allows other countries to rate these mid size vehicles higher and the US lower. The view from some midsize owners is that if it can do "x" in Europe or Australia then it can it is just US nanny state that keeps them from having fun. In reality the other limitations that these governments impose (speed, different following distances, etc) allow them more freedom in the capacity of their vehicles. So it is a give and take. However, those US owners want their Tacoma to haul the same as their worldwide brethren while still doing 75+ on the highway and manage crazy US urban driving.

 

[tacollie]

I have a single rear wheel F350 that I load with about 3k. That would be slightly over capacity for an F250 but about 1k under my max gvwr. In my opinion, the F350 needs better brakes. In an emergency stop situation, I do not feel comfortable.
I don't know if there are standards for stopping distance at max capacity but there should be.

Maybe have your brakes looked at. My F250 has almost 3500lbs of payload when I weighed it. I had around 2500lbs on it and slammed on the brakes at 70mph thinking I was about to slaughter a pack of deer. I was impressed how short I was able to stop. Scared the crap out of my poor mom in the passenger seat ?

 

[TexasSixSeven]

Not sure what context, you mean? If your’e talking about the screen shot, it did not capture everything. That is why I linked the entire document and specified a page number. The screen shot was just a quick reference for folks that do not want to read through the BBAS doc.
I would like to see the Tremor build sheet for both the 250 and 350.

Tremors are identical except for the sticker on the door. M275, 10R140 transmission, same block and leaf pack. The 7.3 Tremor gets a lighter coil spring than the diesel Tremor, but it’s the same spring whether 250 or 350 as long as the motor is the same. Gas non tremors vary on leaf pack, block, and transmission. 7.3s all get the 10R140. 6.2 gets 6R100 in the F250 and 10R140 in the F350.

 

[TexasSixSeven]

Maybe have your brakes looked at. My F250 has almost 3500lbs of payload when I weighed it. I had around 2500lbs on it and slammed on the brakes at 70mph thinking I was about to slaughter a pack of deer. I was impressed how short I was able to stop. Scared the crap out of my poor mom in the passenger seat ?

Ive had well over 4K lbs in the bed of my SRW 350 and never felt like it needed more brakes. I always ran the exhaust brake though as well.

 

[Porkchopexpress]

Are you talking about the F350 SRW column? The F250 column only lists 1 axle the M275.

Top right corner, Ford Sterling M275. The M275 isn't a Sterling, it's a Dana. Also, the ring gear is more than 10.5 on the M275. It must be a typo.

 

[Porkchopexpress]

Maybe have your brakes looked at. My F250 has almost 3500lbs of payload when I weighed it. I had around 2500lbs on it and slammed on the brakes at 70mph thinking I was about to slaughter a pack of deer. I was impressed how short I was able to stop. Scared the crap out of my poor mom in the passenger seat ?

I will. It's still under Warranty

 

[NoTraxx]

You have them flipped around. Per your document the F250 comes with the sterling 10.5 rear axle. The F350 comes standard with the m275. The m275 is a bigger axle. Both have the Dana 60 front axle. The document doesn't mention you can order a F250 with a m275 and larger spring pack. You can also order them with the exact same wheels and tires.

Before 2017 the Sterling 10.5 was the standard axle for both F250 and F350. 2011-2016 the srw f250 and f350 trucks were pretty much identical except the F350 got taller leaf spring blocks.

It does appear for 2023 the F350 has gotten beefed up even more.

Might want to look at that Document again.
Or check out post 56.

 

[NoTraxx]

Tremors are identical except for the sticker on the door. M275, 10R140 transmission, same block and leaf pack. The 7.3 Tremor gets a lighter coil spring than the diesel Tremor, but it’s the same spring whether 250 or 350 as long as the motor is the same. Gas non tremors vary on leaf pack, block, and transmission. 7.3s all get the 10R140. 6.2 gets 6R100 in the F250 and 10R140 in the F350.

Gotta admit I would love to see the specs on that. Can’t find anything on the ford website that goes into that level of detail. Where did you find that?

 

[NoTraxx]

Top right corner, Ford Sterling M275. The M275 isn't a Sterling, it's a Dana. Also, the ring gear is more than 10.5 on the M275. It must be a typo.

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Good catch, that same mistake is across a few years of the specs document. Could be that they forgot the comma.