ccarm
Adventurer
Great, thanks.
Tire chains, snow, mud, and airing down.....
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Great, thanks.
BlueBomber
Adventurer
yeah, its back
we got some snow and ice a while back and I was wondering if there was any new info. I didnt need any thing for my jeep (I only slid a few times) but there were a few trucks I passed that probaby could have used some chains.....or just slowed down.
Antichrist
Expedition Leader
This thread, for some unknown reason, just reminded me about a product Amway used to sell in the 60's & early 70's you'd spray on your tires for grip in the snow. I'm sure other companies had similar products. But it was amazing.
When I was a teenager my dad sold Amway and one winter after a pretty good storm we were driving down a 4 lane road in Roanoke, VA and saw a car not making it up a hill on a side road. So my dad, ever the opportunist, drove over and said to the person, "I have something I can spray on your tires that will get you up the hill. It's $5 a can, I'll spray some on for free, and if you think it's worth it, just stop at the top of the hill and my son will come up."
We sat there at the bottom of the hill for about an hour and sold two cases of it. Some people walked back down and bought several cans.
These were people with bias-ply summer tires and they all made it up without issue once the stuff was sprayed on the tires.
It was amazing stuff. They had to remove it from the market though because it seems it was also quite nasty.
I guess it was an early version of this http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/lisptichgr.html
When I was a teenager my dad sold Amway and one winter after a pretty good storm we were driving down a 4 lane road in Roanoke, VA and saw a car not making it up a hill on a side road. So my dad, ever the opportunist, drove over and said to the person, "I have something I can spray on your tires that will get you up the hill. It's $5 a can, I'll spray some on for free, and if you think it's worth it, just stop at the top of the hill and my son will come up."
We sat there at the bottom of the hill for about an hour and sold two cases of it. Some people walked back down and bought several cans.
These were people with bias-ply summer tires and they all made it up without issue once the stuff was sprayed on the tires.
It was amazing stuff. They had to remove it from the market though because it seems it was also quite nasty.
I guess it was an early version of this http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/lisptichgr.html
dzzz
™
I've probably said this before, but I don't believe airing down works best in all snow conditions. Try driving a Corvette in the snow. It seems to me that in high water content snow airing down just makes things worse. Salted snow is always wet snow.
Snow driving is much more about practice than equipment setting. Not that equipment doesn't help in some situations.
Can I join an SA 4x4 club living in the U.S.?
Snow driving is much more about practice than equipment setting. Not that equipment doesn't help in some situations.
Can I join an SA 4x4 club living in the U.S.?
ccarm
Adventurer
Thanks for the great laugh. Excellent story.
Mamontof
Explorer
Practice practice and one more time practice as you could be best hunter in internet game.....only forest and real weapon that different things
Why stop you be a member of any forum in a world ???:sombrero:
We have 3 member in our forum from Rhodesia ...it country in Africa :ylsmoke:
Mamontof
Explorer
Buy robber blocks , install belt between them and joy by bolts block so it look like sandwich
When were out use opposite side or trash and install new one
Spikepretorius
Explorer
That south african gadget that passes for a tyre chain is rubbish. A novelty. South Africans generally know buggerall about tyre chains because hardly anybody has a need for them here.
As a South African I think I'm qualified to make that comment.
I'm involved in SAR and we need good chains for our winter call outs. Those local gadgets were first to get scratched from the list
As a South African I think I'm qualified to make that comment.
I'm involved in SAR and we need good chains for our winter call outs. Those local gadgets were first to get scratched from the list
Hey guys, since this thread is titled to include mud, I have a question....
Front, rear or all four for heavy mud use? Looking at a trip to Belize and Guatemala and I'm receiving suggestion after suggestion for using tire chains. I've never used them so have no experience.
It seems that with tire chains on a locked rear axle would at least be beneficial and be less risky to use than chains on the front? I'd think the added traction from only using rear chains would get me far enough to use the winch at least.
Thoughts on tire chains in mud?
Front, rear or all four for heavy mud use? Looking at a trip to Belize and Guatemala and I'm receiving suggestion after suggestion for using tire chains. I've never used them so have no experience.
It seems that with tire chains on a locked rear axle would at least be beneficial and be less risky to use than chains on the front? I'd think the added traction from only using rear chains would get me far enough to use the winch at least.
Thoughts on tire chains in mud?
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NOooooo You will just dig a bigger hole faster.
You want to run new tires with good clean out blocks. A very muddy road is easy to navigate with some good tires. If the mud is extra wet and deep, your going to have to pull a winch line at some point. A little bit of speed can help too, as can use your momentum to get across a small section. Based on where you going I would have a winch with synthetic rope. It's a ton lighter then steel. I would also carry a recovery strap. A 30' nylon strap that you can use to pull or get pulled out of a tight spot.
With that said you need good anchor points front and rear. Plus a snatch block and your looking good. I would drive to the local mud hole and test out what works and what don't.
snatch block is use to winch at an angle or double the pulling power.
synthetic winch line
some nice mud tires with good clean outs.
recovery strap
Tree saver strap, short and does not stretch
Plus a couple shackles
You want to run new tires with good clean out blocks. A very muddy road is easy to navigate with some good tires. If the mud is extra wet and deep, your going to have to pull a winch line at some point. A little bit of speed can help too, as can use your momentum to get across a small section. Based on where you going I would have a winch with synthetic rope. It's a ton lighter then steel. I would also carry a recovery strap. A 30' nylon strap that you can use to pull or get pulled out of a tight spot.
With that said you need good anchor points front and rear. Plus a snatch block and your looking good. I would drive to the local mud hole and test out what works and what don't.
snatch block is use to winch at an angle or double the pulling power.
synthetic winch line
some nice mud tires with good clean outs.
recovery strap
Tree saver strap, short and does not stretch
Plus a couple shackles
Silly fella. Saying way more than necessary. :ylsmoke:
Pskhaat
2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...to-stud-your-winter-tires?p=981626#post981626
I can't imagine any snow where there would be enough mass in any spin situation to help with what you just said?
LR Max
Local Oaf
Never seen anyone use chains in mud before. Also I can just imagine that being a dismal mess. Also in mud, wheelspin is a good thing to have. How well do chains hold up to high wheelspeed?
For mud, good tires and lockers are about the only thing you can do equipment wise. After that, its all about speed and luck.
For mud, good tires and lockers are about the only thing you can do equipment wise. After that, its all about speed and luck.
K2ZJ
Explorer
We use them for mud where we hunt. The road gets slick and you NEED chains to stay on the road let a lone go the direction you want. The local outfitters leave the chains on after the first rain/snow, even if it is dry, they know they will need them again soon enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNu_lxd3CgQ&feature=fvsr
That is one of the routes we are considering. The 80 series on 265 75s 16s had tire chains. The trucks with 35" or larger tires did not have chains. BUT, I've seen many videos from Panama and other locales in Central America with every truck with chains.
I've got a new set of Goodyear Wrangler DuraTracs on my Montero, 33x12.50. I do not foresee needing to replace the tires before this trip. But if I do, I'd likely get the Interco TrXus MTs in a 33-35" size, or the duratracs again.
BUT, as I asked before Does anyone know if it would be beneficial to add the chains to the rear tires? The trail would consist of following ruts for quite a few miles....
I appreciated ScoutII's willingness to provide information. In fact, the only bit of his suggested kit that I do not already have is the winch equipment... yet--- having custom mounts made for my ARB bumper made today actually.... We will be traveling in a small group of trucks so the ability to winch or yank will be possible, and all trucks will be required to have a winch on this little expedition.
That is one of the routes we are considering. The 80 series on 265 75s 16s had tire chains. The trucks with 35" or larger tires did not have chains. BUT, I've seen many videos from Panama and other locales in Central America with every truck with chains.
I've got a new set of Goodyear Wrangler DuraTracs on my Montero, 33x12.50. I do not foresee needing to replace the tires before this trip. But if I do, I'd likely get the Interco TrXus MTs in a 33-35" size, or the duratracs again.
BUT, as I asked before Does anyone know if it would be beneficial to add the chains to the rear tires? The trail would consist of following ruts for quite a few miles....
I appreciated ScoutII's willingness to provide information. In fact, the only bit of his suggested kit that I do not already have is the winch equipment... yet--- having custom mounts made for my ARB bumper made today actually.... We will be traveling in a small group of trucks so the ability to winch or yank will be possible, and all trucks will be required to have a winch on this little expedition.