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EricBirk

Adventurer
I am convinced this is garbage to discredit and damage an honorable company. It has me seriously pissed off.

You and me both. Its amazing the amount of BS that people will believe. Today I heard on the radio that some lady called the cops when her Prius suddenly started to accelerate. The officer kept her calm on the phone while a police cruiser pulled in front of her car and helped her come to a stop. Are you kidding me?? neutral, shut it off, pile on the binders. None of that went through her mind...

We had a lady here in Canada that just joined in because her Echo "rapidly accelerated" and the brakes did nothing. First off its an Echo its not even capable of accelerating rapidly. Secondly, I find it very doubtful that in all of these instances the brake system, and secondary system (ebrake) didnt do anything.

I am amazed some of these people can even find their way home after work...
 

laxtoy

Adventurer
saw a commercial on the teevee about a law group seeking owners of recalled toyotas to come forward in an attempt to file financial suits against the manufacturer. opportunists abound, i am sure this will drag out for some time.
 

Rattler

Thornton Melon's Kid
saw a commercial on the teevee about a law group seeking owners of recalled toyotas to come forward in an attempt to file financial suits against the manufacturer. opportunists abound, i am sure this will drag out for some time.

Seen one too the other night. I think they need to have a mechanical/panic part to driver's training.

I may have to go watch Idiocracy now.
 

corax

Explorer
Runaway Prius?

something didn't sound quite right & now more news is surfacing on the recent "runaway Prius"

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread551182/pg1
James Sikes, the owner/driver of the Toyota Prius that accelerated to 94mph on a California freeway this past week, has some funny-smelling skeletons in his closet, including the fact that he was 8 months behind on his Prius payments..

Is it possible this whole thing was done for financial gain? Hmmm....


​James Sikes made news the other day when a California Highway Patrol officer had to help him stop his runaway Toyota Prius, which Sikes claimed had unexpectedly accelerated to 94 mph. But the glare of a national spotlight has cast light on some cobwebs in Sikes's recent past, secrets that cast doubt on his credibility.

According to an investigation by motorhead blog Jalopnik, Sikes and his wife filed for bankruptcy in 2008 with $700,000 in debt. Including over $20,000 owed on the leased Prius he claims has a mind of its own.

That's a deep hole to shovel out of. So it's not a surprise that some are saying Sikes may have faked the incident.

Here's another article: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,589090,00.html?test=latestnews
 
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Scott Brady

Founder
Tolt'ya. . . Thank goodness Mr. Toyoda's son didn't commit seppuku over this nonsense.

After Toyota recently debunked an ABC News report about sudden acceleration in its vehicles, the Japanese automaker has now decided to take on CNN, after the news outlet reported that Toyota knew about sudden acceleration issues as far back as 2002.

The story by CNN's special investigations unit reports that in a secret document Toyota admitted to electronic issues related to the throttle, even saying that in 2002, "Toyota had a sudden acceleration problem and that according to Toyota's own technical service bulletin, the problem was electronic."

Toyota has responded, essentially debunking the document and exposing CNN's faulty reporting; the "secret document" being a 2002 Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) published by Toyota and sent to all of its dealers as well as being publicly available online through several government and independent websites as well as through Toyota's own site: https://techinfo.toyota.com. In fact, the 2002 TSB was discussed by Toyota Motor Sales USA President Jim Lentz during his appearance before the Congressional testimony looking into Toyota's recall woes.

As for the content of the TSB, Toyota says that the issue was never sudden acceleration but rather, "a drivability issue at speeds of between 38 and 42 miles per hour at light throttle." the TSB continues, "This condition was strictly related to a function internal to the transmission torque converter under certain throttle conditions. It manifested as a slight rocking motion, or surge, while holding steady throttle at the specific speed window. This issue was in no way related to any kind of sustained acceleration."

Toyota contests the misinterpretation of the word "surge" in the document, which is says has been taken out of context. Toyota's statement says that, "The term surge has been used across the industry for many years to describe a condition where there is a very slight slow-down and speed-up perception (typically two miles per hour or less) while holding steady throttle at low to moderate speeds." Toyota also says almost every other automaker has issued a similar TSB, with 80 such TSBs being published in the last 10 years.

It would appear as though CNN has now followed after ABC News, with horribly poor investigative journalism that puts ratings ahead of integrity, research and fact checking.
 

turboale

Observer
Before I get started, let me say I am a huge Yota fan and have been raised with Yotas.
Toyota really screwed up when they decided to become the largest automaker in the US. Funny how they are claiming how many Toyotas are still on the road. This is because they USED to pride themselves on being the best built vehicle on the road. Now they are just competing to be another of the "big three". I remember when the 3rd gens were coming out, they were a bit more expensive than the domestics in its class but it was a given that you were getting a better product. It may be me but I just don't see that anymore. To me they have almost flip-flopped with Ford. Ford now is paying a lot more attention to interior materials, feel etc. While I could totally see the current tundra interior in a early 2000s F-150 with the huge plastic knobs and buttons. They have succeeded their goal in becoming the largest automaker in the us, which now makes them the target of Washington DC. It will be interesting to see where things are going to go from here. Hopefully they will go back to their old ways of making a superior product. This happened to Audi in the early 90s with false accusations of idiot drivers trying to make a buck. Audi's "crime"? A brake pedal that was too small and a gas pedal that was too large. This for some reason made people mat the throttle thinking it was the brake. It almost drove Audi out of the US and left a bad taste in peoples mouth for YEARS. I don't think that will happen with Toyota, I can only hope its a reality check to go back to their old ways...
 

ryguy

Adventurer
Before I get started, let me say I am a huge Yota fan and have been raised with Yotas.
Toyota really screwed up when they decided to become the largest automaker in the US. Funny how they are claiming how many Toyotas are still on the road. This is because they USED to pride themselves on being the best built vehicle on the road. Now they are just competing to be another of the "big three". I remember when the 3rd gens were coming out, they were a bit more expensive than the domestics in its class but it was a given that you were getting a better product. It may be me but I just don't see that anymore. To me they have almost flip-flopped with Ford. Ford now is paying a lot more attention to interior materials, feel etc. While I could totally see the current tundra interior in a early 2000s F-150 with the huge plastic knobs and buttons. They have succeeded their goal in becoming the largest automaker in the us, which now makes them the target of Washington DC. It will be interesting to see where things are going to go from here. Hopefully they will go back to their old ways of making a superior product. This happened to Audi in the early 90s with false accusations of idiot drivers trying to make a buck. Audi's "crime"? A brake pedal that was too small and a gas pedal that was too large. This for some reason made people mat the throttle thinking it was the brake. It almost drove Audi out of the US and left a bad taste in peoples mouth for YEARS. I don't think that will happen with Toyota, I can only hope its a reality check to go back to their old ways...
Decided? They didn't decide to become the lagerst automaker, it happened because of the public demand for a superior product. Having owned a 2001 f-150 and working with new tundras daily, I fail to see the connection in the interior. Not being an *****, I just don't get it.
 

turboale

Observer
Ok,
Maybe comparing interiors to an 01 f150 is a bit harsh... and maybe I'm choosing the wrong model b/c the Tundra was always intended for the us from day one. A better example would be what happened with the Tacoma and 4Runner. The new Tacos are bigger and bulbous looking compared to the previous gen. The 4th gen 4Runner was a huge step towards being another Explorer. Bigger, lower and of course a V8 (b/c it now needs it). Either way, I just think their designs and more importantly reliability (pre-accelerator problem) are now a lot more "American". The new 4Runner is a step in the right-ish direction though I think its becoming a Hilander for people that don't like the image of the Hilander. If they had kept in the same direction as the 3rd gen 4Runner/4th gen Pickup they would be CLEANING up with this whole gas prices issue. Let the Tundra/Sequoia be big, and I would much rather pay a premium for something that's going to last. I could care less how many units they sell...

Also, please don't mistake my avatar for me being a domestic-only fan-boy... couldn't be further from the truth. :sombrero:
 
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ryguy

Adventurer
Ok,
Maybe comparing interiors to an 01 f150 is a bit harsh... and maybe I'm choosing the wrong model b/c the Tundra was always intended for the us from day one. A better example would be what happened with the Tacoma and 4Runner. The new Tacos are bigger and bulbous looking compared to the previous gen. The 4th gen 4Runner was a huge step towards being another Explorer. Bigger, lower and of course a V8 (b/c it now needs it). Either way, I just think their designs and more importantly reliability (pre-accelerator problem) are now a lot more "American". The new 4Runner is a step in the right-ish direction though I think its becoming a Hilander for people that don't like the image of the Hilander. If they had kept in the same direction as the 3rd gen 4Runner/4th gen Pickup they would be CLEANING up with this whole gas prices issue. Let the Tundra/Sequoia be big, and I would much rather pay a premium for something that's going to last. I could care less how many units they sell...

Also, please don't mistake my avatar for me being a domestic-only fan-boy... couldn't be further from the truth. :sombrero:
I agree for the most part. With more innovation and complexity bring a higher chance for problems to occur. The new 4runner is great but the price tag keeps increasing with every generation. Having owned 2 current gen tacos I can say the older ones definately fit better on the trail.
FWIW I'd take a diesel ford over a tundra any day.
 

turboale

Observer
You bring up a very interesting point. Each auto-maker needs to have their own halo vehicle. Before, it was simple. If you wanted a big diesel, you bought domestic. If you wanted a mid-sized truck, you bought Japanese. Now the decision isn't quite so cut and dry on either front. Navistar did some serious damage to Ford's diesel reputation with the 6.0L. Then came the quite literally fire breathing 6.2TT. Chevy's Duramax had its fair share of issues as well. I'm happy to see Ford is back to developing its own engines again and look forward to seeing how well the 2011 F250s do.
I'm also looking forward to the release of the Mahindra in this country and I REALLY hope it does well. Well enough to show other auto-makers that more complex doesn't necessarily mean better. It could also lead to something we ALL have been eagerly awaiting, a diesel Yota in the states! That might be the case in luxury vehicles, but not people looking for something they need to rely on. Which to me, is the biggest reason to buy a Toyota in the first place.
 
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