Unimogadventures - Our build and travel thread

graynomad

Photographer, traveller
even 2000w is ok by our inverter, it's a question of how long that is for. But if they are fast it might be ok. Also I assume the temp changes pretty quickly so you could adjust as you cook which would be good.

The trick would be to have your main hot meal at lunch time and use the often wasted afternoon sun.
 

jesper1406

New member
I admire the craftmanship and the ideas in this build... Fitted a bus on my own in 4 months working more or less around the clock. Drove it for a few thousand km's and the drivetrain blow up on me. Ended up selling the hole damn thing for parts, and renting a house in Portugal. Now we throw a madras and a 12V coolerbox into a van, and head off for the places we like to see. Might fit a few things a long the way - but haven't got the space, nor the patience to do a second build within 2 yrs. Still love the builds anyway, will just watch yours so far. Well, this thread stole most of my beauty sleep, a great way to spend the night anyway. Good luck with the wife and everything, and keep the updates coming... ;)
 

pairospam

Observer
Iain:

Have you thought about the limitations of diesel powered cookers, stoves, air and water heaters in high altitudes? Higher than 2300 meters their efficiency drops dramatically. That's why I did not choose diesel stuff for such tasks. We have pretty nice places around here that are above 3000 meters and, though they work, they are not the best choice, especially in cold nights on the Altiplano.

Your work on that Unimog is unique.

Cheers.


Pairoa
 

Iain_U1250

Explorer
Thanks Pairoa, I understand that they are not so efficient at high altitude, but it is compromise for we are prepared to make. We have heard from other users that their diesel stuff works even at 4000m, just not as well as it does at lower altitude. We are planning to drive around the world, and LPG may not be available in parts of SE Asia, Africa etc. We will always have diesel though. There are not so many places on our itinerary that are over 3000m high. The cabin and engine heater are the key things we need in cold areas ( Norway, Sweden, Siberia, Alaska etc) , the 9kW diesel furnace is the most important thing there, as we will need to keep warm, coming from Queensland where a cold day when it gets below 15 degrees C :) It was a difficult choice, and we looked at loads of option, even metho/petrol stoves but the diesel seemed simpler. We even considered a generator and going electric with big batteries, but just can't live with the noise of even a "silent" generator and there is a limit to how many batteries we could fit.

Doing all the research and design is all part of the fun of building a truck, getting it right for every circumstance is difficult, but we are trying to think of everything.

Running LPG comes with it's own problems, and loads of regulations and rules over here. Your installation needs "licenced gas fitter" approval, CO gas detectors, minimum permanent (ie non closing) ventilation requirements. We will run LPG in our outside kitchen, and have a gas barbeque as well. They are all portable and if needs be, we can just buy a new stove and gas bottle in the local shop to run whatever pressure or fittings required. It is a lot more difficult to get a permanent installation to work in multiple countries. Things like regulators and jets might need to be changed, and the gas bottles and fittings are different. There are also different regulations depending where you are. Nothing insurmountable, but not something we want to have to consider at each border crossing.
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
Options

N.B. Some form of cooking gas is ALWAYS available in Africa and South America. The best designs are:

-- An open bay where you can place any form of local tank, or,
-- A fixed tank with an auxiliary input. You have the fitting to your tank, terminated in a hose that you either clamp to a local fitting or for which you have a range of adapters.

This company claims to have just about any fitting you may need: http://www.abp-accessories.co.uk/product.php?cat=76

We went with an induction stove. Very limited testing so far, but:

-- 70A draw when at full power
-- But only two wall clock minutes to bring two cups of soup to the boil. A frozen hamburger takes 15 minutes.

(And the solar panels instantly ramped up to 20A output, so the net draw was 50A on a sunny day, more if it is raining.)

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The cooktop lives in a drawer when rolling and is placed on either side of the sink for use.

We chose this model only because it is OEM on certain Winnebagos. We had hoped to use the double unit, but it is too large for our truck. http://www.trueinduction.com/SingleBurner.aspx

And yes, the kitchen is also plumbed for diesel, should we decide that the induction cooktop doesn't work.:)
 
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pairospam

Observer
Iain:

As I stated before, I knew you thought three times at least before gone into something, but I did not see any comment on the height subject. Maybe I missed it.

I liked very much your arrangement on the kitchen, DiploStrat, but just thinking about carrying all that type of different fittings and regulators makes me sick.

Fortunately I have the place and how to deal with weight so, I go with electrics. Though, I am still not sure about the cabin heater and, of course, diesel seems to be the best option for many reasons.

Cheers.


Pairoa
 
Two 9kg propane cylinders for my kitchen stove last at least 8 months.
Actually, in Australia I only used about 7-8kg in 5.5mos, so 18kg should last about a year of continuous camping and cooking.

Charlie
 
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Iain_U1250

Explorer
That's about the same as us. We went through 6kg of gas on our 3 month trip around Australia. Our new baby Weber barbeque we tested out over Christmas is a gas hungry monster by comparison to the little stove we had, that when through 4kg of gas in a week when we used it all the time. We used it for cooking roasts, steaks, fish and even a cake etc. A roast takes about 1.5hour to cook though, and even steak takes a bit longer than a frying pan.

I may be wrong, but I don't think you can fit permanent LPG tanks over here in Australia, mainly because you have to take them into the shop to get them filled. It is illegal to use the Autogas for cooking, apparently in some areas it has some nasties in it.
 

Iain_U1250

Explorer
Hi DiploStrat, any chance of you doing a test with one litre of water to see how long it takes, and how much current it draws It would be a good comparison to the X100
 

alan

Explorer
could be interesting, at the end of the day it may be a high current draw, but only for short periods. as long as you have the battery capacity it is certainly worth considering.
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
Will certainly do so. For various reasons, we simply have not been able to use the truck, but give us a month or so.
 

Iain_U1250

Explorer
Thanks, based on yours and other people recommending the induction cookers, we decide to get a cheap one off ebay - $50 for an 1800W induction cooker, this model that came recommend from a few people on the Exploroz forum.
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We probably have enough battery power to boil water, but not enough to cook a full meal on the induction cooker, but it will be interesting to see how much current it draws etc.

When we were travelling in our Land Rover with just a single 75AH battery used our Nespresso machine to make coffee for us each morning, and also make four coffee shots into a flash for our mid morning and afternoon ice coffee fix. The Nespresso machine draws 1300W for for about 30 seconds, and the milk frother around 500w for about 45 seconds for each cup of coffee with milk. We could only do that for if we had been driving the previous day, as if we were parked up with just our 85W solar panel recharging the battery, we would have to start the car as the inverter would drop out after the second cup of coffee. No big deal to start the car and it charge the battery up for half and hour.
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
Iain,

Our Tiger has 250A of alternators, 500w of solar, and 600Ah of batteries. This is considerably more than most "reasonable" campers. We simply have not been able to use it enough to give you any real world numbers.
As I said, we pre-plumbed for a diesel stove.

Ironically, I got the final tip towards the induction stove in UK where a gentleman was raving about his. As he noted, it is almost impossible to wild camp in UK and most campsites have electricity. Under those circumstances, the induction was a nice alternative to a gas cooker.

I guesstimated about 50Ah for each of lunch and dinner, call it 15 minutes of induction at full power and 15 minutes of microwave at full power. Limited testing indicates that we actually use less, but watch this space when we actually get on the road more.

Best wishes!
 

graynomad

Photographer, traveller
I too am very interested to see how the induction cooker goes, as my build is on hold I can still decide to use one of them instead of (or maybe as well as) the diesel cooker.
 

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