what happened to Sierra4x4 trailer tread.

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Kingnailer

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He also sent me pics of the trailer. It looks great I can wait to get if it looks as good in person as it does in the pics this will all be worth it.
Seriously? I stumbled on this site when I was about to order. I would not order one no matter how good the quality is, especially since he raised the price $700. LOL
I hope everyone that has placed a order gets what they were promised. Sounds like robbing Peter to pay Paul.
 

bobDog

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Seriously? I stumbled on this site when I was about to order. I would not order one no matter how good the quality is, especially since he raised the price $700. LOL
I hope everyone that has placed a order gets what they were promised. Sounds like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

I am amazed at how many folks don't see the 'Peter to pay Paul' thing. This guy has a problem.....whether it be poor judgment, or heavy debts for what ever reasons. I would love to say more but can't. Something is .....wrong!!!!!

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Mc Taco

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I am amazed at how many folks don't see the 'Peter to pay Paul' thing.

I get what you're saying and hope that is not the case. No one will win if it is. Not the customers at the end of the line, nor Chris, nor the community as a whole*. Maybe the lawyers will benefit.
Hoping for the best.



*Not saying this small company's failure would sink the overlanding community, as some knuckleheads will infer, but that it won't be a positive.
 

Corey

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Looks nice.

I put the pics in the other thread, and they showed in the preview, but after submitting, they became only links.
 

jckid

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Your trailer looks great. Actually, I already saw it in person, but didn't realize it. It was sitting right next to mine when I picked mine up.
 

bobDog

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So it looks like the dude is going to finally get thee goods......yea! So lets not forget the hell this guy went thru (after paying for it) to get what was rightfully his months and months later!
It would be easy to immerse our selves in "the super human quality that this trailer must be" and say wow.......it was worth the wait. I doubt that its much better than an AT. But he would have had it w/ constant communication in time.
The point here has always been what a lousy business man this guy has been through out the process
Needless stress to the buyer and his wife!!!!!!
I never have wanted a trailer but thru out this thread I have realized that as I age a trailer would be a great idea. So this old guy will most likely buy an AT next year.....yes it will cost more and maybe there will be a quality different although I think all Serria hype, but. I will know that I will get it -ON TIME- and I will get what I asked for ON TIME!
I personally believe that the owner of Sierra did something with everyone's money and it took him this long to make it right....good on him....it worked out, but her made several peoples life hell and ruined their summer on the process.
The man has his trailer....YEA!
I foresaw a much worse outcome.
HAPPY..
..HAPPY

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grimbo

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AT have their delays as well going by the Habitat thread, it happens when you rely on suppliers, communication is the difference.

I don't see the need to throw around accusations of shady goings on etc. it appears to be a small business struggling to keep up with demand. If he can get on top of his supply/demand issues and most importantly communicating with customers it could be fine.

He seems to be shooting himself in the foot simply by not communicating with customers or setting realistic goals for making the trailers.

Innuendo or accusations of dodgy goings on doesn't help anyone
 

Kingnailer

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Innuendo or accusations of dodgy goings on doesn't help anyone
Really? Deleting threads, lying to customers, not returning phone calls after broken promises, ruining families summer camping season, stating posting negative feed back will put his kids out of a job. This guy is a joke! I for one am thankful I found this site. I would never order anything from sierra 4x4. Hard to believe he is US dealer for Hannabal.
 
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jeep-N-montero

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So it looks like the dude is going to finally get thee goods......yea! So lets not forget the hell this guy went thru (after paying for it) to get what was rightfully his months and months later!
It would be easy to immerse our selves in "the super human quality that this trailer must be" and say wow.......it was worth the wait. I doubt that its much better than an AT. But he would have had it w/ constant communication in time.
The point here has always been what a lousy business man this guy has been through out the process
Needless stress to the buyer and his wife!!!!!!
I never have wanted a trailer but thru out this thread I have realized that as I age a trailer would be a great idea. So this old guy will most likely buy an AT next year.....yes it will cost more and maybe there will be a quality different although I think all Serria hype, but. I will know that I will get it -ON TIME- and I will get what I asked for ON TIME!
I personally believe that the owner of Sierra did something with everyone's money and it took him this long to make it right....good on him....it worked out, but her made several peoples life hell and ruined their summer on the process.
The man has his trailer....YEA!
I foresaw a much worse outcome.
HAPPY..
..HAPPY

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As much as I dislike businesses who leave their customers hanging in the wind, you really ought to look up the difference between simply complaining and defamation, because at the moment you are making some strong accusations that could get you in trouble.
 

Woods

Explorer
I don't believe that this is the case. He states one opinion, which is that he thinks the owner of Sierra did something with everyone's money. But he states that it's an opinion (his personal belief) and isn't claiming it as fact.

Sierra would have to show damages. Given what others have stated on this forum, I don't see how damages could be any where near what Sierra has done to itself.

Sierra would have to prove that they didn't do anything else with the money. Otherwise, bobDog's statement is true. Defamation stems from a false statement.

Sierra would have to have money to sue...

I think he's pretty safe on this one.

BTW, when I read his post, I don't even see that he's bashing Sierra very much. I think bobDog is actually happy to see that Sierra is delivering product.

As much as I dislike businesses who leave their customers hanging in the wind, you really ought to look up the difference between simply complaining and defamation, because at the moment you are making some strong accusations that could get you in trouble.
 

Robert Bills

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Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, traducement, slander (for transitory statements), and libel (for written, broadcast, or otherwise published words)—is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, . . or product . . . a negative or inferior image. This can be also any disparaging statement made by one person about another, which is communicated or published, whether true or false, depending on legal state. In common law jurisdictions, slander refers to a malicious, false, and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism.



The following may consititute defamation per se (i.e., damages are presumed):

  • Attacks on a person's professional character or standing;
  • Allegations that the person has committed a crime of moral turpitude;
 
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