4Runner vs Land Cruiser

prairieboy

New member
Hey everyone. I'm new here but been checking out the Site pretty regularly. I'm looking to acquire a new overland vehicle and am on the fence between the 80 series and 100 series Land Cruisers. Being in Canada the landcruiser aren't offered here but are easily imported from the USA. However the Lexus LX470 are common place here but not a big fan of the hydraulic suspension. I've seen quite a few people with 2003 and newer 4runners but I don't know enough about them. I believe their on the Tacoma platform so it should be a stout platform and they are readily available in Canada too. What are your thoughts on the 4runner and would it be worth to keep on the list? I almost bought a land rover but reliability issues made we walk. Wish the diesels were available here.

Appreciate your thoughts on the 4runners.
 

Vantage

Adventurer
The LX470 is based off the 4Runner platform. More specifially the Sport/limited platform with the Xreas suspension (hydraulic).

They are fantastic platforms (I myself had a 2004 Sr5 V8 Runner). and are great for overlanding with the fold flat rear seat and tons of storage.

The V8 is a fantastic engine for ANY style of driving. Offroad, onroad, in town or freeway. It has gobs of smooth power and one of the best automatic transmissions I have ever driven. The only problem with the V8 is the gas mileage, so pack plenty of fuel.

Land Cruisers are offered here, but they are very few and far between.

I had my V8 for 2 years and had zero problems. It has a bulletproof engine/tranny. The V6 is also a good engine, with little less power and a little more MPG. I have one in my current 2011 Tacoma and it is ok, but still leaves me wishing I still had my 4.7V8.
 

SouthPawXJ

Observer
The LX470 is based off the 4Runner platform. More specifially the Sport/limited platform with the Xreas suspension (hydraulic).

They are fantastic platforms (I myself had a 2004 Sr5 V8 Runner). and are great for overlanding with the fold flat rear seat and tons of storage.

The V8 is a fantastic engine for ANY style of driving. Offroad, onroad, in town or freeway. It has gobs of smooth power and one of the best automatic transmissions I have ever driven. The only problem with the V8 is the gas mileage, so pack plenty of fuel.

Land Cruisers are offered here, but they are very few and far between.

I had my V8 for 2 years and had zero problems. It has a bulletproof engine/tranny. The V6 is also a good engine, with little less power and a little more MPG. I have one in my current 2011 Tacoma and it is ok, but still leaves me wishing I still had my 4.7V8.

Just for clarification, the LX470 shares the platform with the 100 series LC. The 4Runner may share the platform with the GX470, but the GX definitely shares with the Land Cruiser Prado (120 series).

Lexus LX on Wikipedia
Lexus GX on Wikipedia

EDIT - As for your question, any of the ones listed will work. It just depends on what you would like to do, how much you can carry, and how much you can afford? The Lexus LX470/Toyota LC 100 series (1999-2007) are probably your best choice if money was no object. However, a 4Runner/Lexus GX470 is a very capable platform for overlanding. Tacoma's also have a very good record for capability and reliability on here. What a good problem to have; so many good choices!
 
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prairieboy

New member
Choices, it's definetly good to have. I'll be taking my 2 young kids with me and my wife so room is important. I'm really leaning towards the Land Cruisers. Mainly because I'm more familiar with them and with the v8 in the 100 series is a good thing to have. I spent my time before kids in an 1984 bronco II with a 3 inch lift and a v8 swap so I know what's it like to have the extra power. That truck took me places that most people will never see. The V8 swap was the best thing I did to it. Unfortunetly it was great for 2 but not a family so all the offroad parts have been sold on it and its delegated to a work truck now at the cottage. My only concern with the Lexus is the gadgets in them. Early 2000-2006 are well priced and low miles as are 4runners. I've heard even small lifts on the 4runners though present castor issues. Do they run the same transfer case as 100 series?
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
My only concern with the Lexus is the gadgets in them. Early 2000-2006 are well priced and low miles as are 4runners. I've heard even small lifts on the 4runners though present castor issues. Do they run the same transfer case as 100 series?

I don't know if it's actually the same box but the 4th gen V8 has the same positions: 4 hi and 4 lo, with the ability to lock the center differential (IIRC the LC has a Neutral position, too, which the 4th gen 4runners lack.) IOW, full time 4wd in the V8 4runners.

Before you commit to a V8 you might want to at least drive a V6. I drove both the V6 and V8 models before I got my 4th gen (07) 4runner and determined very quickly that the additional power of the V8 was really not neccessary. Plus, I like the ability to run in 2wd if I want to, or AWD/full time 4wd if I choose (the V6 4wd 4runners have a "multi-mode" transfer case that allows you to run in 4wd on the highway if you want, or to choose 2wd.)

Coming from a 3rd gen 4runner with a 3.4l V6, I found the 4.0 V6 in the 4th gen to be more than adequate. As another plus the 4.0 has a timing chain, not a belt like the V8 (which needs to be replaced at about 100,000 miles/160,000km.)

I drove a 100 series LC when I was shopping for my current vehicle and while the 100 felt like a tank, the downside is that the MPG is tank-like, too. OTOH I've been very impressed with the MPG on my 4runner. Even in city driving 17-19 is common and on the highway 22 - 23 is possible with a light foot on the throttle. Combined with a 23 gallon (90l) tank that gives a very respectable 400+ mile (640km) range.
 

SouthPawXJ

Observer
Choices, it's definetly good to have. I'll be taking my 2 young kids with me and my wife so room is important. I'm really leaning towards the Land Cruisers. Mainly because I'm more familiar with them and with the v8 in the 100 series is a good thing to have. I spent my time before kids in an 1984 bronco II with a 3 inch lift and a v8 swap so I know what's it like to have the extra power. That truck took me places that most people will never see. The V8 swap was the best thing I did to it. Unfortunetly it was great for 2 but not a family so all the offroad parts have been sold on it and its delegated to a work truck now at the cottage. My only concern with the Lexus is the gadgets in them. Early 2000-2006 are well priced and low miles as are 4runners. I've heard even small lifts on the 4runners though present castor issues. Do they run the same transfer case as 100 series?
Yeah, space will be at a premium. Your kids won't be young and small forever... I'm sure this could be done in a 4Runner though. It may be a bit tight though. As far as transfer cases go, between the two I believe they are the same but I am not certain of that (at least with the V8s). They appear to both be full-time 4WD with Center-differential locks and two speeds. I believe the Land Cruiser has the higher payload capacity. Also, if you plan on lifting the vehicle, it appears the hydraulic suspension can be removed. Just some food for thought.
 

ajn507

New member
I have owned a V8 4runner LTD and now currently own a 07 Land Cruiser. The 4runner was a very nice vehicle and never had a problem with it but we only put 50k mi on it. I'm 6'3 and found the front seats to be uncomfortable after 2hrs of driving. Otherwise we were happy with it and avg 18mpg running around town and 20-21 on hwy.

The LC is much more comfortable to drive for extended lengths. The seats are very comfortable and there is more room in the 2nd row, plus they recline which is nice. There is also more headroom in the LC. I think the biggest differnce in the seats are the LC seats are taller where the 4runner seats sit very low to the floor. We are only getting 15mpg running around and 17 on hwy if we stay around 70mph more than that and it is down to 15mpg. The ride is quieter and smoother in the LC though the 4runner wasn't bad. There is definitely more room in the cargo area of the LC with the 3rd row removed.

Not sure if you can get a GX470 in Canada but that seems to be a very good compromise between the 2 and I wished we would of looked at one before buying.

Alan
 

p nut

butter
I've had both the 4Runner and now 100. Build quality and just more solid feel for the 100. 4Runner offered better MPG and more agile feel. Depends what you want. Space is a bit better on the 100 as well. It is a 3rd car for us and we drive it maybe 5k miles per year, so although the MPG isn't that great, the difference is maybe $5-600 per year. So it's worth it for us.
 

TeCKis300

Observer
I have owned a V8 4runner LTD and now currently own a 07 Land Cruiser. The 4runner was a very nice vehicle and never had a problem with it but we only put 50k mi on it. I'm 6'3 and found the front seats to be uncomfortable after 2hrs of driving. Otherwise we were happy with it and avg 18mpg running around town and 20-21 on hwy.

The LC is much more comfortable to drive for extended lengths. The seats are very comfortable and there is more room in the 2nd row, plus they recline which is nice. There is also more headroom in the LC. I think the biggest differnce in the seats are the LC seats are taller where the 4runner seats sit very low to the floor. We are only getting 15mpg running around and 17 on hwy if we stay around 70mph more than that and it is down to 15mpg. The ride is quieter and smoother in the LC though the 4runner wasn't bad. There is definitely more room in the cargo area of the LC with the 3rd row removed.

Not sure if you can get a GX470 in Canada but that seems to be a very good compromise between the 2 and I wished we would of looked at one before buying.

Alan

I likewise had an '05 V8 4Runner LTD, and now have an '06 LX470. I completely agree with all the points above. I'm only 5'8" and I found the 4Runner seats uncomfortable for longer trips. Though I went with the LX470 to accommodate a growing family and have the flexibility of a 3rd row seat.
 

Laxaholic

Adventurer
I currently own a 2001 100 series and am looking to downsize, because of horrible fuel mileage and a lack in the need for that much space. I am not married, college student, and would love something that is better on fuel. Not really interested in the 4runners with the 4.7, although it's a great engine...been there, done that. Interested in the 4.0 for power/fuel mileage, in the 4runner and the 2.7L in the Tacoma 4x4 Access Cab. How you would all compare the build quality/drivability of the two? I feel like the 4runner is almost class-less, whether dressed in a t-shirt and ballcap and going kayaking or on the way to a white collar job. It looks great and is fairly comfortable and powerful. How does the build quality differ, if they do? Where are they built? Is 20mpg possible in the 4runner 4x4 4.0? I've seen reports of 24mpg possible in the Tacoma 4x4 2.7, but if the 4.0 could do 20....that'd be something to think about. Is it really worth giving up my 100? I'm not much of an offroader anymore, although I love a good road trip (my 100 keeps me close to home because of dismal economy) and would like to keep 4x4 for snowboarding.
 
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Vantage

Adventurer
Lots of people see 20-22 mpg from the 4.0 runner. Just try to get the newer version with the 5 speed tranny. Just be easy on the gas pedal
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
I currently own a 2001 100 series and am looking to downsize, because of horrible fuel mileage and a lack in the need for that much space. I am not married, college student, and would love something that is better on fuel. Not really interested in the 4runners with the 4.7, although it's a great engine...been there, done that. Interested in the 4.0 for power/fuel mileage, in the 4runner and the 2.7L in the Tacoma 4x4 Access Cab. How you would all compare the build quality/drivability of the two? I feel like the 4runner is almost class-less, whether dressed in a t-shirt and ballcap and going kayaking or on the way to a white collar job. It looks great and is fairly comfortable and powerful. How does the build quality differ, if they do? Where are they built? Is 20mpg possible in the 4runner 4x4 4.0? I've seen reports of 24mpg possible in the Tacoma 4x4 2.7, but if the 4.0 could do 20....that'd be something to think about. Is it really worth giving up my 100? I'm not much of an offroader anymore, although I love a good road trip (my 100 keeps me close to home because of dismal economy) and would like to keep 4x4 for snowboarding.

As Vantage said, it is definitely possible to exceed 20mpg in a 4th gen 4runner with the 4.0 and 5 speed combo (2005 and up.) Not sure about the economy of the 2003 - 2004 with the A340 4 speed. Now that's highway MPG. In the city, 17 - 19 is more realistic (remember, you're still talking about a body-on-frame SUV with a curb weight of 4300lb.) On relatively flat ground, if you keep your foot out of it, you can get 22mpg pretty easily.

What's even better is that with the large (23.5 gallon) fuel tank, the 4th gen has an impressive cruising range. Right now, for example, my 4runner has about 210 miles since the last fuelup and the gauge is just below half, with my Scangauge showing me a DTE (distance to empty) of about 190 miles. 400 miles on about half highway, half city driving is pretty decent for a vehicle of this size and wieght.

As for your other questions, the 4runner has always been built in Japan. Tacomas are either built in California or Texas, depending on the year (not sure what year they shut down the NUMMI plant in CA.) Currently Tacomas, Tundras and (I presume) Sequoias are built in Texas.

Having owned both a CA built Tacoma (04) and two Japanese 4runners (a 99 and my current 07) I think build quality is roughly the same, however it is worth noting that in past years there have been recalls on Tacomas for things like rust on the frames and now something to do with the cable suspending the rear tire.

The biggest difference between the two IMO is that from what I've seen, Tacomas tend to be more "stripped down" in terms of features (particularly the 4 cyl models) where most 4runners are "loaded up" with lots of features that, while not essential, are still "nice to have." Things like a 4 link rear suspension vs. the Tacoma's leaf springs, Multi-mode 4wd vs the Tacoma's conventional 4wd, a nicer sound system, fog lights, automatic HVAC controls (set the temp and the system does the rest), a trip computer (that actually doesn't work very well, but it's still kind of cool) better seats (though this is subjective and in truth I don't know much about the 2nd gen - 2005 and up Tacomas.) With both of my 4runners I find myself being constantly impressed by a lot of "little things" that just make it feel like a quality vehicle. Things like gas struts to hold up the hood instead of needing a prop rod (the last vehicle I owned that didn't need a prop rod was my '71 Blazer.)

Also, don't know if it matters to you but the 2005-up Tacomas have a composite/plastic bed. I haven't heard of any issues with this bed, but it might be something you'd want to know. I would imagine that if a panel was broken or cracked the only way to repair it would be to replace the entire panel.

For snow country, I have to say it's nice to have a rear window with both a defroster and a wiper. Obviously if you have a pickup, that's not an option even with a topper. And the 4runners pushbutton roll down rear window is nice for ventilation or for accessing gear in the back of the vehicle without opening the lift gate.

Now obviously, those "luxury" features are a double-edged sword. They're great when they work and a PITA when they don't. FWIW, even with 150k on it, I never had a lick of trouble with my '99 4runner, and at 100k I haven't had any issues with my '07, but the more electronic gadgets there are, the more potential failure points there are. I think this is more an issue that will be faced by the 3rd, 4th or 5th owners than it will be by the 1st or 2nd owner, but it may be a consideration if you're planning on buying a vehicle and then driving it to, say, Alaska and keeping it for 10 years. In a situation like that, the "simpler" vehicle may be better.

Overall I think the differences between the two are minimal and really come down to whether you need a truck or an SUV. I realized three years ago that while a pickup was great for a single guy, someone with a family has a harder time with it just because it's more difficult to carry passengers in a non-double-cab truck (mine was an '04 Extended cab.) I figured that my "truck" needs (transporting motorcycles, carrying big pieces of furniture, etc) could be adequately served with a simple utility trailer, and so far that's worked out well for me. Of course, I have the luxury of having a house with a big driveway and a big backyard where I can store a utility trailer - not everyone is in that situation.

Hope that helps!
 

glock_19

New member
I currently own a 2001 100 series and am looking to downsize, because of horrible fuel mileage and a lack in the need for that much space. I am not married, college student, and would love something that is better on fuel. Not really interested in the 4runners with the 4.7, although it's a great engine...been there, done that. Interested in the 4.0 for power/fuel mileage, in the 4runner and the 2.7L in the Tacoma 4x4 Access Cab. How you would all compare the build quality/drivability of the two? I feel like the 4runner is almost class-less, whether dressed in a t-shirt and ballcap and going kayaking or on the way to a white collar job. It looks great and is fairly comfortable and powerful. How does the build quality differ, if they do? Where are they built? Is 20mpg possible in the 4runner 4x4 4.0? I've seen reports of 24mpg possible in the Tacoma 4x4 2.7, but if the 4.0 could do 20....that'd be something to think about. Is it really worth giving up my 100? I'm not much of an offroader anymore, although I love a good road trip (my 100 keeps me close to home because of dismal economy) and would like to keep 4x4 for snowboarding.

I have a 4th gen 4Runner and a Tacoma in the family. The sound deadening and the ride are slightly better in the 4Runner as well as the interior finishes. They're both great vehicles and both reliable.

I think there are really only a few major differences:

1. Do you need a bed? Yes -get a Tacoma (you could use a utility trailer with a 4Runner)
2. Do you need a manual transmission? Yes - get a Tacoma
3. Do you need the ability to drive in 4wd on dry or mixed surfaces? Yes - get a 4Runner
4. Do you regularly carry more than 1 passenger? Yes - get a 4Runner (even with double cab the back seats in the Tacoma are small)
 

p nut

butter
...I'm not much of an offroader anymore, although I love a good road trip (my 100 keeps me close to home because of dismal economy) and would like to keep 4x4 for snowboarding.

If I were in your shoes, I'd get something like a Subaru. My 100 and 4Runner(s)/Tacoma have been great, but for mostly on-road with mild off-road trips, our Subaru gets the call. With almost 9 inches of clearance, it actually does well off-road. It looks like this is more along the lines of what you're looking for. We've got the bigger Outback, which gets ~32MPG on the freeway. The Impreza's get 36 and the new Foresters get 32. Of course, being in college, I'm sure your funds are limited. Maybe find a Forester/5-sp a few years old. Those still get close to 30MPG.
 

aluke0510

Adventurer
I believe the Land Cruiser has the higher payload capacity.

Nope, 4 runner beats it straight off. Factor in fuel economy and level them to the same range and the land cruiser falls further behind. Not to mention aftermarket parts for a land cruiser will likely weigh a bit more than the equivalent for the 4 runner. See post 20 http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/91429-Moving-back-to-the-States-what-vehicle/page2

If and/or when I return to North America I'll be getting a 4 runner; it has: ample space, fantastic payload, affordable price, decent aftermarket support, and good fuel economy. Land cruisers sold in North America seem to have a lot of focus on rich soccer moms, specs are underrated, and bloated with trim. I'd buy a Ford F150 before a Land Cruiser.
 

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