Do you have too much crap in and on your rig?

Rosco862003

Adventurer
I start this post as a catalyst for a healthy discussion on what most people find to be essential and what other find to be excess. Seeing as how this is the internet, it will be nice to get feedback on a global perspective. Even here in the US we have a great variety of climates and conditions that warrant the use of different items when we head out for our trips.

I'll also give a bit of information about myself and where I stand. I am a 26 year old full time student ad full time draftsman or 3D CAD guy..many names for what I do, but I draw things in Autocad and other Autodesk programs to put things simply. The nature of my business dictates that I work regular 40 hour weeks sometimes and 60+ hour weeks others. So finding time to go out on a weekend trip can prove difficult sometimes. I live in Charlotte, NC and drive a 2006 Impreza 2.5i wagon 5 speed. I actually like it a good bit and am happy with my decision to get something that gets good mpg, has an awesome crash rating, and has the ability to grow with me and my make believe family! Prior to that I drove a 93' Miata that had no heat or AC the drivers side window did not roll up, The back window zipper did not work, it had over 400k miles, overheated, leaked oil, didn't have space for any of my 3 dogs. However, on the right day, with the top down and the tunes blasting there is no other vehicle I'd rather be driving at that point in time. Now I'm sure there are some of you who view the Miata as a hairdresser's car and some of you who appreciate it like I do, but that's not the point I'm making here. The point is that the car didn't have a number of basic ammenities that today we would we wouldn't dare do without in a brand new car, but all those things seemed to become irrelevant when I was on a twisty road. My first vehicle was an 88' Cherokee that was stock and probably logged more offroad miles than pavement mile. It was alot of fun and due to my teenage induced feeling of being unstoppable and disregard to vehicle damage I was able to take it more places than my buddies with 35's, lockers and SUH-WEET light bars could go.

Now that I'm 26 and have a Subaru that is pretty low to the ground in comparison to most of what you guys are driving. I often wonder if anyone with a 100 series Cruiser would do a straight trade with me or why I didn't get the WRX like every one of my friends told me I should . I wanted a basic mode of transport that would not only get me from point to point B, I wanted to get from point A to point B with a smile on my face, safely, and have money in my pocket, and fuel in my tank to take a spontanteous trip to point C. Between all the bills, school, and car payments there isn't much money left for modifications and a custom build of my car, so I'm left wondering which modifications will give me the best ROI (return on investment). I has served me well as a roadtrip vehicle and has gotten as high as 32 mpg on the hwy (driving 65 mind you) and I find myself wanting to get it a bit dirtier lately.

Within the next month or so I want to make a beach trip with a few friends and think that I won't run into too many issues with the stock setup. By summer I would like to get up to the mtns. of NC and do some wandering around. The ultimate question I am asking I guess is what items have you found to be necessary as opposed to items you find take up space and were a waste of money? At what point does form bypass function in your vehicles? Take a step back and really look at all the items you have on your vehicle. Do we really need all this stuff? I'm not knocking our infactuation with these items, if I did I wouldnt be on a vehicle based overland site. But I am curious how much lift you find necessary, how many lights we need that put an extra load on the electrical system, etc, etc.
 

craig333

Expedition Leader
Well this has been covered in many other posts but I'll my two cents. No, I don't have too much crap. In fact I think I have just the right amount of crap.
 

007

Explorer
Stand back and look at this group. Some people take a Rubicon for a weekend to crawl over rocks. Some live in vans full-time, they don't even own a home. Others are navigating the globe while home schooling the kids...

Good tires, and vehicle maintenance are probably your best ROI. The only thing you need are a pair of shorts and a key.
 

Silver dude

Xplorer
For where I go... and the type of living I withhold on my journey. To have a safer form of travel. Yes truck is equipped as required.

Ben
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
As with anything else, there is no one right answer, because each of us has different requirements. I actually think your chosen vehicle is much more appropriate for your current situation than a 100 series LC would be. If you had a 100, it would probably spend most of its time parked because you couldn't afford to drive it anywhere!

As a bit of an aside - I feel your pain WRT location. I lived in Charlotte from 96-97 and did 3 semesters at UNCC. I still have a buddy from the Army who lives there, in the NW part of town off of WT Harris. So I know you have to drive a looooong way before you get to any large stretches of public land. People who have never been to NC might not understand just how long the state is. I think it's almost as long East to West as Montana! I know when I was stationed at Bragg, it took me just as long to drive to the Outer Banks as it did for me to drive to Washington, DC!

Getting back to the topic, the issue of the stuff you carry is a function of what you need and what you will be doing. Driving from Charlotte down to the beach in mid summer obviously you won't need the same kind of thing as what you would need if you were going to Yellowstone National Park in October. Most of us carry the stuff we carry because we have either used it, or we have needed it and not had it (that's a harsh lesson learned!)

Even in the case of stuff we've never needed and never used (in my case, a fire extinguisher I've carried for 20 years and road flares I've carried for probably 25), the fact that I haven't needed it doesn't mean it's not smart to carry it.

I agree you don't need a hi-lift jack and a pickaxe to drive down to the mall, and I admit I do sometimes :rolleyes: a bit when I see a jacked up LC or Cherokee with all the off-road gear parked at the shopping center. (Of course, it may be that if the owner lives in an apartment or small house, and in that case it might make sense to leave that stuff on there rather than to try and find a place to store it, but I think most of the people who leave their gear on like that are just doing it because it looks salty.)

In any case, the requirements should drive the equipment. What's "right" for me may not be right for you and vice versa.
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Just to add - there's another factor at work and that's whether your vehicle is your DD or not. Many of us (me included) have both a camping/exploring vehicle (in my case it's the 4runner) and a daily driver (mine is a cheap Mazda Protege I got off of Craigslist for $900.)

If you have a dedicated off-road or travel vehicle, and you aren't driving it to work every day, it makes more sense to keep that vehicle loaded up, since there's no real penalty for doing so. OTOH, if your 4x4 is also your drive-to-work car, then hauling a lot of heavy, expensive (and prone-to-theft) gear when you're are driving to the grocery store or your office makes less sense.
 

JIMBO

Expedition Leader
:sombrero: I've got WAY too much, but I got tired of loading/unloading and finally just faced the inevitable--built a storage compartment in my jeep so I just always "Haveit"-

No more trying to decide whats needed or not--

Although, you'll always find, the one time you need a "XXX" and you ain't gotit-

Just do your best and take basics, you'll slowly add various "stuff" as you wheel more-

Good luck

:costumed-smiley-007:wings: JIMBO
 

BigSwede

The Credible Hulk
Some of us still don't.

Yeah, but you aren't 26 like the OP...lotta young folk freak out if they are without their electronic nannies.

I don't have one either, but work might make me get one soon.
 

BigSwede

The Credible Hulk
On that note, I have a friend who works in a small history museum. One of the most popular things she does when they get a group of schoolkids in for a tour is show them a rotary phone, and let them call their parents on it...they are amazed.
 

JIMBO

Expedition Leader
:sombrero: YUP, thats what I used to do and it's a PITA


Except a flashlight and jack, nothing stays in my rig. Everything else gets loaded and unloaded.

So I circumvented that action !

:costumed-smiley-007:bike_rider: JIMBO
 

Rosco862003

Adventurer
Its good to hear the different points of views here. It seems as though a lot of you are pretty happy with the current setup you have on your vehicles. Some of you have mentioned that it has been a bit of a trial and error buildup. Others agree that there is a lot of cargo that comes along with you when you head for the hills. Just curious as I want to start building my little wagon soon, and I'm looking at the MOTO buildups and threads for advice too as they seem to be able to make due with a very minimal amount of space. A first aid kit and flashlight are items that will stay in my car at all times. However, things like a roof rack, aux lights, hi-lift, recovery gear, tools, etc..all this seems to be unnecessary for what I will be doing most of the time. These are big heavy items that once added up affect the performance and mpg of a 4 cyl. uni-body vehicle. Not calling anyone out and saying that its not needed for their intended use. But here in CLT as someone mentioned, trails aren't a hop skip and jump away, and if there is one chances are it's private property and I don't feel like exploring someone's backyard.

As far as me having some unhealthy attachment to electronics because Im younger simply isn't true, and can't be applied just to the younger crowd in general anymore. I see plenty of middle aged adults with a talking on their blue-tooth, listening to music on the IPAD, and reading a magazine on their kindle. It's nice to look back and remember the rotary phone, and a simpler time overall but the economy is driven by progress, and this is no more apparent than in today's age. With that said, along with everything else I think it's healthy in moderation to grasp new technologies and see how they can help you in various ways. For example, I save about $30 on the internet by using my phone as a WIFI hotspot, it's also very handy to be able to check your bank account when needed. However, I don't think playing angry birds on I-95 is a good use of the phone or letting everyone on facebook know that your kitty just learned to fart..
 

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