*Rickashay's 04' Tundra* - A build of Compromises

toyotech

Expedition Leader
Soooo... For those of us that aren't as well-versed in the suspension components required for MT vs LT, what does this mean for the MT vs LT debate? I'm not sure if these UCAs were specifically for LT only?

Those are basically factory replacements with a slight change to them to correct caster from lifting a vehicle. The ones in his link will also allow more travel than stock UCA if using correct stocks.


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rickashay

Explorer
Those are basically factory replacements with a slight change to them to correct caster from lifting a vehicle. The ones in his link will also allow more travel than stock UCA if using correct stocks.


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Correct.

The LT requires longer UCA's and LCA's, axle shafts, shocks, brake lines, and (in theory) fiberglass front fenders. I'm going LT but will not be using fiberglass. I've already cut the truck up and will cut more sheetmetal to make it work without glass, while keeping it as clean as possible. This truck will not be a hack job and I've actually got something up my sleeve to retain the factory flares and trim them for LT. Going to take a lot of work but I should be able to make it look fairly OEM. Of I cannot retain the flares I'm going to trim and pull my OEM fenders slightly. I will also be swapping out my front 3.5" BS wheels for the same wheel with a 4.5" BS. This will shrink the front track width by 2" overall. Keeping the 3.5" BS wheels in the rear and adding 1.25" spacers should help even out the tire poke so it doesnt look so awkward.

Im just going to be putting my gears/locker install on hold until the front end is all done. Probably going to order some bolt-in Fox IFP shocks for the rear and either Timbrens or air bumps as well.

Which reminds me. I have 2 brand new OEM LBJ's in my garage that will be of no use to me. I could also give up the current ones for trail spares if someone wants any of those. PM me for a price but if you bought my 2 new LBJ's I'd give up my two factory ones (~60K miles on them) for a VERY reasonable price.

My Bilstein lift (shocks f/r) and Y/Y and Y/B coils will also be up for sale once the truck comes apart.
 

City_Rider

Adventurer
Correct.

The LT requires longer UCA's and LCA's, axle shafts, shocks, brake lines, and (in theory) fiberglass front fenders. I'm going LT but will not be using fiberglass. I've already cut the truck up and will cut more sheetmetal to make it work without glass, while keeping it as clean as possible. This truck will not be a hack job and I've actually got something up my sleeve to retain the factory flares and trim them for LT. Going to take a lot of work but I should be able to make it look fairly OEM. Of I cannot retain the flares I'm going to trim and pull my OEM fenders slightly. I will also be swapping out my front 3.5" BS wheels for the same wheel with a 4.5" BS. This will shrink the front track width by 2" overall. Keeping the 3.5" BS wheels in the rear and adding 1.25" spacers should help even out the tire poke so it doesnt look so awkward.

Im just going to be putting my gears/locker install on hold until the front end is all done. Probably going to order some bolt-in Fox IFP shocks for the rear and either Timbrens or air bumps as well.

Which reminds me. I have 2 brand new OEM LBJ's in my garage that will be of no use to me. I could also give up the current ones for trail spares if someone wants any of those. PM me for a price but if you bought my 2 new LBJ's I'd give up my two factory ones (~60K miles on them) for a VERY reasonable price.

My Bilstein lift (shocks f/r) and Y/Y and Y/B coils will also be up for sale once the truck comes apart.

All I needed to read. Definitely looking forward to the progression of this truck!
 

toyotech

Expedition Leader
two different BS rims means NO rotation?? i have LT on my runner and i thought about doing two different BS but i just left it. wider up front. i guess it doesnt look as bad on a 1st gen runner vs a full size tundra haha

Im interested in the NEW LBJ if they are OEM TOYOTA
 

Blender

Adventurer
Correct.

The LT requires longer UCA's and LCA's, axle shafts, shocks, brake lines, and (in theory) fiberglass front fenders. I'm going LT but will not be using fiberglass. I've already cut the truck up and will cut more sheetmetal to make it work without glass, while keeping it as clean as possible. This truck will not be a hack job and I've actually got something up my sleeve to retain the factory flares and trim them for LT. Going to take a lot of work but I should be able to make it look fairly OEM. Of I cannot retain the flares I'm going to trim and pull my OEM fenders slightly. I will also be swapping out my front 3.5" BS wheels for the same wheel with a 4.5" BS. This will shrink the front track width by 2" overall. Keeping the 3.5" BS wheels in the rear and adding 1.25" spacers should help even out the tire poke so it doesnt look so awkward.

Im just going to be putting my gears/locker install on hold until the front end is all done. Probably going to order some bolt-in Fox IFP shocks for the rear and either Timbrens or air bumps as well.

Which reminds me. I have 2 brand new OEM LBJ's in my garage that will be of no use to me. I could also give up the current ones for trail spares if someone wants any of those. PM me for a price but if you bought my 2 new LBJ's I'd give up my two factory ones (~60K miles on them) for a VERY reasonable price.

My Bilstein lift (shocks f/r) and Y/Y and Y/B coils will also be up for sale once the truck comes apart.


Nice! My condolences to your wallet. I'm excited to see you'll handle the body work.
 

rickashay

Explorer
All I needed to read. Definitely looking forward to the progression of this truck!

Thanks man!

two different BS rims means NO rotation?? i have LT on my runner and i thought about doing two different BS but i just left it. wider up front. i guess it doesnt look as bad on a 1st gen runner vs a full size tundra haha

Im interested in the NEW LBJ if they are OEM TOYOTA

Yah rotation means side to side then a full mount and balance. Although thats not that big of a deal as I usually have to re-balance 2 times per year from mud knocking my weights off. Plus this isnt my DD.... doesn't get driven that much now!

Yes, OEM Toyota LBJ's. Let me dig up my receipt for them as I forget what I paid.

Nice! My condolences to your wallet. I'm excited to see you'll handle the body work.

Lol true statement. I'll post lots of pics but I'll be waiting for a bit to gather and install the parts.

Are you still running the FJ Steelies? Whats the BS?
 

Muttle

Observer
You know I am the go big or go home type when it comes to building trucks, but even I think mid travel would be the better option with the tundy, just for the majority of trails you run on a regular basis. Even though I vote mid travel, I commend you on making a decision bud, and I look forward to seeing the progress an maybe helping out if I'm around.
 

Blender

Adventurer
Lol true statement. I'll post lots of pics but I'll be waiting for a bit to gather and install the parts.

Are you still running the FJ Steelies? Whats the BS?

yep they're heavy though. I thought they were 4.5 but rough measurements put them closer to 5" My tires clear the spindle by like 1/4" :Wow1:
 

TexasTundra

Observer
Nice build! I just went through all 25 pages.

I thought I had a solid build plan for mine but after reading your build my head hurt thinking about all of the options.

Keep up the good work!
 

rickashay

Explorer
Nice build! I just went through all 25 pages.

I thought I had a solid build plan for mine but after reading your build my head hurt thinking about all of the options.

Keep up the good work!

Thanks! Yah lots of options but sometimes not enough! haha I wish we had more for armor selection and rear suspension, but I guess the options are improving!

UPDATE - Finally something other than tech talk and indecisiveness.

Had some time Friday evening to work on the truck. I recently ordered a Anti-Dark underhood lighting kit from TW hoping it would "just work" on the Tundra. The kit is well put together, but the only complain I do have is that the adhesiveness of the LED light strip is aweful and it wouldn't even hold the weight of the strip once stuck where I wanted it. It's still a work in progress until I can get some double sided 3M ultra sticky tape, which should remedy the minor complaint. I had built somethign similar to this on my 4Runner and always appreciated having the light for checking oil or anythign under the hood late at night. It's even nice to have the compressor lit up for when those long wheeling trips have you airing up in the dark - like last night for example.

Output Photos:

20140122-IMG_4249.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr


20140122-IMG_4254.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

Had to move the ARB compressor slightly to clear the hood strut. Something that originally I considered but when I bolted it all down I was about 5mm away from clearing the strut. Move the bracket ever so slightly and now it clears as it should and I have my auto-lift hood back.

20140122-IMG_4258.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

I wish the light color was warmer, but it will do. I did enjoy the opportunity to play around with the night photos though, with the underhood lit up. One last cool shot of the engine bay:

20140122-IMG_4261.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

Crowsnest Pass - Jan 24, 2015

As mentioned, I was able to head down to the Crowsnest Pass for the day yesterday with a group of members from Untitled Offroad.

No write-up this time but I will let the photos do the talking. It was a great day, lots of sun, WARM weather, lots of stuck as snow conditions were somewhat strange. All-in-all it was my first "REAL" wheeling experience in the Tundra. After the photos I'll make some notes on my first hand experiences on the Tundra platform and some areas that are of immediate concern offroad.

On the drive down:

20140123-IMG_4267.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

Stopped for a quick break and a couple photos with the Rocky Mountains in the background:

20140123-IMG_4275.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

Matt's Supercharged RCSB 2nd Gen Tundra w/full Icon suspension and 35's. I absolutely love this truck and it is SO fast:

20140123-IMG_4287.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

Small to big. And an awesome Tacoma:

20140123-IMG_4288.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

At the first lookout, the group enjoying the views:

20140123-IMG_4310.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

"Freeze" destroying some snow:

20140123-IMG_4313.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

Crowsnest Mountain:

20140123-IMG_4316.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

Poser shots:

20140123-IMG_4321.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr


20140123-IMG_4318.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr


20140123-IMG_4323.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr


20140123-IMG_4324.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

On the way back down as the sun was setting, the lighting doesn't get much better than this:

20140123-IMG_4327.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

Chinook's cause the sky to look pretty awesome, this is no exception:

20140123-IMG_4329.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

Dave climbing the ice-shelf, after hours:

20140123-IMG_4340.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

It seems I was taking more video than action shots of the other rigs. Once again I'm trying to compile footage so I can build a 'winter' video this spring.

Notes on the Tundra Offroad

I've had the Tundra on the trail a couple time before yesterday, but this was what I consider to be the first real test. A fair amount of snow with varying conditions, a little side-hill and off camber stuff, some tight areas through the trees, a couple larger ice ledges to "bump" up, and lots of loose and steep climbs.

- I'm rubbing in the rear at full compression. The tire actually ripped both (one on either side) of the lower flare bolts off because the tire was catching the bolt head. Should be an easy fix with some flush mount metric allen bolt, but it's just a matter of finding some of those. At full bump (with un-cut factory bumpstops) the top of the rear tire is just kissing the top of the wheel well. I'm not sure how easy this will be to trim as I'd really like to keep the rolled edge of the fender to ad rigidity. Flares might have to go? We'll see.

- The rear suspension also has a pathetic amount of droop. Definitely the least-"flexy" vehicle I've had but I guess I've been spoiled coming from the LX and 3rd Gen 4Runner. I would say that this is one of my most immediate concerns. Several option out there but the Cantelever setup hangs too low for the kind of wheeling I do. SUA with shocks through the bed is on the radar but you usually gain uptravel, which is something I don't really need. I need more droop. Really considering buying a 2nd Gen Tacoma rear shackle flip kit and modifying it for the Tundra, then ordering a custom Deaver leafs pack with more arch and a little more weight capacity to suite. Possible lowering the lower rear shock mounts and adding an under-bed crossmember for a higher rear shock top mount. Might be able to get a 12" stroke shock to work and keep it out of the box or outward shock mounts if the tires would clear. Probaby where I should go with this for the leafs and shackle flips anyway.

- Rear frame is pretty flimsy with the C-Channel frame design. When I am doing the rear suspension, I will definitely be bracing the rear portion of the frame and boxing a portion of it at minimum. The problem here is that there are no "kits" for this. I am going to ask around at work and see if someone can draw me up a template so I can take it to a laser cutter.

- Front didn't complain once and didn't rub at all other than on the frame. Mission successful there.

- Wheelbase seems good. A little long from what I'm used to but I could notice it on the climbs.

- Width. I was worried about this on tighter sections of trail but it's honestly very very much the same as my Lexus. Maybe an inch or two different so I don't think this will be a problem.

- Traction:

Tires: the Toyo's are amazing. At least in the snow and mud that I encountered yesterday. Being open/LSD without a winch, typically I would not be gunning too much trail. However I spent a large portion of the day leading with excellent results. I aired down to 8psi on all four corners and the truck was a monster in the snow. It required some driving finesse to not break the traction surface and not always retort to wheelspin but they did VERY well. I was even surprised a the amount of lateral traction on slippery surfaces. I got stuck once, and dug myself out with a shovel that time but I honestly should have been stuck on several occasions but was able to just work myself free and maneuver. These tires are heavy, yes, but at this time I think they are probably the best tire I've ran. For reference, I've had: BFG A/T's, BFG KM2's, Cooper ST Maxx, Goodyear MT/R Kevlars, Mickey Thompson MTZ's.

LSD: First time I've had one. Haven't been without a rear locker in about 3 years. Definitely sucks being pretty much open/open again, but good to re-evaluate and appreciate the locker. Definitely need to get my gears and lockers done sooner than later as the LSD is kind of a pain. Often working the brakes or setting the E-brake to get the LSD to engage. I guess it does work better than open/open but obviously the best of all worlds is a selectable.

On a more personal note, with the above said and my industry of employment in the ****ter right now, the LT is out. Back and forth I go again but for good reason this time. We took company wide salary reductions late last week and honestly people are dropping like flies with oil prices being nearly %60 lower than they were only a few months ago. I consider my position quite safe but the $$$$ for the LT is going to be put on hold and I'll more be working with what I already have. I can still always make the switch at a later date. Especially after my experiences this weekend, I think the front end is the least of my concerns. Short terms plans are to get the gears and lockers done and then start thinking about how to address the rear suspension.
 

jsnow

Adventurer
On the rear suspension, I would check to see if the shackle bushings are binding. When I was working on my leaves last weekend, I noticed it was not drooping all the way. Loosened the bolts up, and gained 3-4" of droop.
 

City_Rider

Adventurer
Matt's Supercharged RCSB 2nd Gen Tundra w/full Icon suspension and 35's. I absolutely love this truck and it is SO fast:

20140123-IMG_4287.jpg by RickaShay24, on Flickr

Whoa whoa whoa. When did this 'Matt' fellow purchase his Unicorn?? How have I never seen / heard of this rig before now??? You know I love me some RCSB...

Interesting RE: tire feedback. My MTZ's will last me for a while yet but having someone pick and choose their way through the shear number of options is awesome.

On the personal note... at least you've been working the last two years and saving your monies - man it would suck to have been on long term disability for two years and then when you're almost healthy having no work available! I mean ugh... horrible timing. Is Home Depot hiring?? lol
 

Muttle

Observer
Good pics as always, was a fun day. Hopefully we will have some fresh snow next time we do this run.

Whoa whoa whoa. When did this 'Matt' fellow purchase his Unicorn?? How have I never seen / heard of this rig before now??? You know I love me some RCSB...

Haven't had it that long about 5 months or so. Your tundra kinda got me hooked on the 2nd Gen RCSB's finally got around to buying one 4 years after you.

*End Thread Jacking*
 

sixstringsteve

Explorer
i just popped in to say I read your entire build thread. Great truck, I love it! I'll be joining the tundra crowd as soon as my 4th gen runner sells. I'll be doing a milder build than you, but I'll definitely be referencing this thread over and over. Thanks for the time you've taken to document all this.
 

rickashay

Explorer
Good pics as always, was a fun day. Hopefully we will have some fresh snow next time we do this run.



Haven't had it that long about 5 months or so. Your tundra kinda got me hooked on the 2nd Gen RCSB's finally got around to buying one 4 years after you.

*End Thread Jacking*

Lol not a probelm

i just popped in to say I read your entire build thread. Great truck, I love it! I'll be joining the tundra crowd as soon as my 4th gen runner sells. I'll be doing a milder build than you, but I'll definitely be referencing this thread over and over. Thanks for the time you've taken to document all this.

Thanks! I've watched your Tacoma build(s) over the years. The Tundra is great, I'm extremely happy with it so far. Glad I could be of some help!
 

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