INEOS Grenadier

[T-Willy]

Payload

I am disappointed to see the final production payload at 1500 - 1900 lbs, where 1900 lbs is for the utility wagon, and the five-seater comes in at 1840 lbs. I really would have liked to have seen this truck meet (or even exceed) its original one-ton payload objective. The originally-advertised payload was one of the objectives that, for my use case, really set this apart from other wagons (in the North American market). Now, 1900 /1840 lb isn't bad, especially relative to other offerings in North America, I just wish they'd hit their original mark for its extra load carrying freeboard.

https://mss-p-034-delivery.stylelabs.cloud/api/public/content/c3a15f9fafa44bd59b69ac180a2cc027?v=26c232fd

 

[Paddler Ed]

I suggested that.

INEOS should team up with John Deere. They have a huge network in the US, trained personal and agricultural profile.
BMW does not ring too much in the heads of farmers / contactors in America or in Australia.

John Deere is the last one I'd partner with. The reason they have a huge network is because they've locked everyone else out of their systems - and I suspect that they'd want the same model for Ineos. They keep getting dragged into the courts (globally) over the right to repair; as they state in one of these articles, the profit on repairs is many times that of the initial sale:

'Right to repair' taken up by the ACCC in farmers' fight to fix their own tractors

The competition and consumer watchdog has launched an inquiry into whether tractor manufacturers are failing farmers who want the right to repair their own machinery.

www.abc.net.au

Iowa, U.S. farm groups file a federal right-to-repair complaint against Deere to fix their own tractors

The groups say proprietary software in John Deere tractors, combines and other equipment prevents farmers from doing their own repairs.

www.desmoinesregister.com

Farming giant John Deere faces two right-to-repair lawsuits

It's Deere hunting season in Illinois and Alabama

www.theregister.com

I know of a fair few farmer's (wives) who run BMWs around here; contractors? Not so much - they run a Thai built ute or a Land Cruiser.

 

[Highlander]

The reason they have a huge network is because they've locked everyone else out of their systems - and I suspect that they'd want the same model for Ineos.

I did know if JD was that bad.
My point was that they could team up some sort of an agricultural equipment manufacturer.

 

[Beowulf]

Anyone know if Ineos will be at Expo?

 

[Mattlodi]

Here we have the wltp cycle

What's Europe version of EPA fuel economy called?
Is there a rated fuel economy for the gas Ineos yet?

Here we have the wltp cycle and they've rated:
- 20/23 mpg for the diesel;
- 15.5/18 mpg for the gas one.

In the "real world" they will be worse, for sure.

 

[Grassland]

US gallon, or Imperial?

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

Good vid by Andrew St. Pierre White on his first impression on the Ineos - overall, pretty positive, with an observation on fuel that I touched on previously (Enough payload for jerry cans, that's not a terrible compromise for me).

 

[Mattlodi]

US gallon, or Imperial?

Us gallon...I paste them in l/100km too
Diesel: 10,3-11,8 l/100 km
Gas: 13,2-15,3 l/100 km

 

[Grassland]

Hmm yeah that gasser fuel economy isn't stellar. I'll look into the cycles they use for the WLTP.
Thanks!

 

[SkiWill]

US configurator is live. No pricing yet, but you can see the options listed. Unfortunately, I do not see the bull bar listed that was available on the international site which is disappointing. One of the key benefits in my mind was that I could potentially buy a complete vehicle ready to go with auxiliary battery, switches, bull bar, etc. with factory fit and finish. Anyway, have fun checking boxes:

https://ineosgrenadier.com/en/us/the-vehicle/vehicle-configurator

 

[T-Willy]

It's beautiful.

 

[Mattlodi]

The italian website has the prices...i've reached quite easily almost 79k€

 

[Paddler Ed]

AU$96k for me (not even driveaway, so I've still got rego (~$1k), stamp duty (~$4K) and other fees to pay on top of that), probably over $!00k out the door.... which puts it up against a basic Land Cruiser 300 in price.

https://my.ineosgrenadier.com/JPZ4HTHZR4

Which was a bit excessive for a very basic spec'd one... I kept it as basic as possible with a few niceties - unlike APSW, I do see the value of heated seats, mirrors and washer jets in Australia as I live at 1,000m above sea level and get below freezing in winter quite often.

 

[Todd780]

I built one. But do not see any Canadian pricing.

 

[Wyuna]

Payload

I am disappointed to see the final production payload at 1500 - 1900 lbs, where 1900 lbs is for the utility wagon, and the five-seater comes in at 1840 lbs. I really would have liked to have seen this truck meet (or even exceed) its original one-ton payload objective. The originally-advertised payload was one of the objectives that, for my use case, really set this apart from other wagons (in the North American market). Now, 1900 /1840 lb isn't bad, especially relative to other offerings in North America, I just wish they'd hit their original mark for its extra load carrying freeboard.

https://mss-p-034-delivery.stylelabs.cloud/api/public/content/c3a15f9fafa44bd59b69ac180a2cc027?v=26c232fd

Im surprised that they didn't offer a HD version with a higher GVM, allowing for more payload.

I understand that 3500kg is the limit for those on a car licence in Euro and UK, but here in Aus it is 4.495Kg and other countries could take advantage of more Payload