OT: Who is building their rig in case of a Doomsday scenario?
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96MaiNERaM
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No atmosphere for it to travel through?
Photomike
White Turtle Adventures & Photography
Do you mean having an app on your smart phone to locate the closest 7-11 so you can buy something with your debit card is not preparation?
teotwaki
Excelsior!
Yeah! No gas particles to have electrons stripped off by the nuclear blast's gamma rays. No electrons available means no E1 EMP generated by something called the Compton effect. With the Moon's weak magnetic field the nuclear blast's E3 EMP component would be weak too. Since the moon is so much smaller it might not take too many nukes to wipe out people anyhow.
shortbus4x4
Expedition Leader
Don't forget solar flares too. Back in the 1850-60's time range there was a pretty good solar storm that if it would have happened today would be very bad.
Back in the 1850-60's time range there was a pretty good solar storm that if it would have happened today would be very bad.
teotwaki
Excelsior!
Don't forget solar flares too.
Good point! Info here: http://greekgeek.hubpages.com/hub/massive-solar-flare-1859
Montereyman
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In a doomsday scenario where everything collapses the first thing to go will be electricity and that will be shortly followed by no gasoline or diesel fuel for motor vehicles. The only practical way to be self-sufficient is with a sailboat stocked with a hand operated water desalinator, medical supplies, and fishing tackle. Ideal boat would be a 45 foot ketch for 4-6 people.
It should be a wood hulled boat with wood masts as this could be repaired in any country around the world. Prior to diesel engines and sat phones and GPS folks went around the world for centuries and did OK.
Land based option would be a dry farm setup with draft horses and a good clean spring and blacksmith shop along with a good stock of seed, hand tools, medical supplies, and other items. My uncle and grandfather ran their dairy farms with no motor fuel and no electricity until 1938 when that socialist FDR's Rural Electricifation program made it to Connecticut.
Not one person in ten thousand today has the knowledge or mental or physical toughness to do what they did.
Anyone who thinks of a motor vehicle for a doomsday response does not read the news accounts of people after Katrina or all the other natural and man made disasters and what took place. When the gas stations shut down and the food stores have empty shelves and the hospitals are crammed floor to ceiling with bodies, what are you going to do grasshopper?
It should be a wood hulled boat with wood masts as this could be repaired in any country around the world. Prior to diesel engines and sat phones and GPS folks went around the world for centuries and did OK.
Land based option would be a dry farm setup with draft horses and a good clean spring and blacksmith shop along with a good stock of seed, hand tools, medical supplies, and other items. My uncle and grandfather ran their dairy farms with no motor fuel and no electricity until 1938 when that socialist FDR's Rural Electricifation program made it to Connecticut.
Not one person in ten thousand today has the knowledge or mental or physical toughness to do what they did.
Anyone who thinks of a motor vehicle for a doomsday response does not read the news accounts of people after Katrina or all the other natural and man made disasters and what took place. When the gas stations shut down and the food stores have empty shelves and the hospitals are crammed floor to ceiling with bodies, what are you going to do grasshopper?
Photomike
White Turtle Adventures & Photography
Montereyman I like your idea for a sail boat, many other good reasons for it- harder to be looted by the land locked mobs and you could put in at areas that are uninhabited.
The farm is good, problem is keeping the crops for yourself until they mature.
Myself my vehicle is to get me away from a problem area. If something like Katrina was coming here (no chance I know) I would bug out before hand. If there was another type of disaster I would hope that I could use the gas, food and supplies to move someplace else that was safer before, during or after the event. If I could not move, I would use the fuel for the truck in the most fuel efficient way saving what I could of the fuel and propane till the cold sets in and growing what I could in my garden during the warm time. May not be long term but hopefully I could last for a while.
The farm is good, problem is keeping the crops for yourself until they mature.
Myself my vehicle is to get me away from a problem area. If something like Katrina was coming here (no chance I know) I would bug out before hand. If there was another type of disaster I would hope that I could use the gas, food and supplies to move someplace else that was safer before, during or after the event. If I could not move, I would use the fuel for the truck in the most fuel efficient way saving what I could of the fuel and propane till the cold sets in and growing what I could in my garden during the warm time. May not be long term but hopefully I could last for a while.
seldonseensmith
Member
WOW.
So what do the doomsday survivalist sources recommend as a vehicle fuel? It seems to me that you'd be SOL after 800 miles of driving, unless you're towing a fuel tank on a trailer. Biodiesel sounds cool, but it takes a lot of biomass and a substantial setup to get fuel from unrefined sources (once the french fry oil is gone).
How about the wood gasification process? It was used in several countries during WW2 when petroleum fuel was scarce.
How about the wood gasification process? It was used in several countries during WW2 when petroleum fuel was scarce.
graynomad
Photographer, traveller
Right, I just have to show my zombie apocalypse vehicle then.
We could live in that for 3 months without trying, probably 6 if we knew in advance to get more stores in and were careful with water...but that then?
Assuming a hostile environment (IE total breakdown with roaming gangs) the only way to stay out of trouble is to never be seen by anyone and I don't care what vehicle you have it's vulnerable for a 1000 reasons, not the least of which is people can see it, and if they can see it they will want what it has, and if they want what it has they will probably get it.
By all means have a bug-out vehicle, but it's only purpose is to get you out into the wilderness, you then ditch it and start walking. From now on you live off the land, something of course almost none of us can do so we're screwed. By all means have a firearm but it's for self-defence and as a last resort, it is not for hunting because the sound will alert others of your presence and once they know there is someone to look for they might start looking, and once they start looking they will find you.
So it's a bow, crossbow, snares, digging for tubas etc. It's all been done before, just not by people like us so as I say, we're probably screwed anyway.
If the breakdown is not hostile (IE the "system" just turns to ******** but there is still law and order, kind of like what it is already) then I would agree with Montereyman, a farm is probably the best, drop the hi-tech, get a horse, learn how to do blacksmithing etc etc.
In this scenario a truck like ours would be good, we have 6 months to learn how to live off the land, probably not enough but at least we'd have a chance.
A third scenario is the natural-disaster one like Katrina, as mentioned we are fully self-sufficient for months, unless we were at ground zero I doubt we would have noticed unless we turned on the TV, at present we are not fussed about storing much food, but even then we only go into a town about once a month.
And finally, the best thing you can do is move somewhere that's warm, in northern Oz all you need is a tarp to keep off the rain in summer and a pair of shorts (actually they are optional), there are no life-threatening climate issues so half the job of survival is done. I reckon in six months you could also learn to live off the land, in the tropics it's all there for the taking, you just have to know where to look and what's not good for you. (Note to self, buy a bush tucker book)
We could live in that for 3 months without trying, probably 6 if we knew in advance to get more stores in and were careful with water...but that then?
Assuming a hostile environment (IE total breakdown with roaming gangs) the only way to stay out of trouble is to never be seen by anyone and I don't care what vehicle you have it's vulnerable for a 1000 reasons, not the least of which is people can see it, and if they can see it they will want what it has, and if they want what it has they will probably get it.
By all means have a bug-out vehicle, but it's only purpose is to get you out into the wilderness, you then ditch it and start walking. From now on you live off the land, something of course almost none of us can do so we're screwed. By all means have a firearm but it's for self-defence and as a last resort, it is not for hunting because the sound will alert others of your presence and once they know there is someone to look for they might start looking, and once they start looking they will find you.
So it's a bow, crossbow, snares, digging for tubas etc. It's all been done before, just not by people like us so as I say, we're probably screwed anyway.
If the breakdown is not hostile (IE the "system" just turns to ******** but there is still law and order, kind of like what it is already
) then I would agree with Montereyman, a farm is probably the best, drop the hi-tech, get a horse, learn how to do blacksmithing etc etc.In this scenario a truck like ours would be good, we have 6 months to learn how to live off the land, probably not enough but at least we'd have a chance.
A third scenario is the natural-disaster one like Katrina, as mentioned we are fully self-sufficient for months, unless we were at ground zero I doubt we would have noticed unless we turned on the TV, at present we are not fussed about storing much food, but even then we only go into a town about once a month.
And finally, the best thing you can do is move somewhere that's warm, in northern Oz all you need is a tarp to keep off the rain in summer and a pair of shorts (actually they are optional), there are no life-threatening climate issues so half the job of survival is done. I reckon in six months you could also learn to live off the land, in the tropics it's all there for the taking, you just have to know where to look and what's not good for you. (Note to self, buy a bush tucker book)
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graynomad
Photographer, traveller
That's great, you are certainly getting some mileage from your SMB photos
I'd be interested in that, is it available as an eBook? EDIT: Yes, I found it for Kindle.
Mind you I'm not sure about the bright yellow, given what I said about being seen, but I suppose a pic of some bush with an invisible camo vehicle wouldn't be very good for a cover.
I'd be interested in that, is it available as an eBook? EDIT: Yes, I found it for Kindle.
Mind you I'm not sure about the bright yellow, given what I said about being seen, but I suppose a pic of some bush with an invisible camo vehicle wouldn't be very good for a cover.
photo_i
Explorer
That's great, you are certainly getting some mileage from your SMB photos
I sure am.
Hopefully our orange Perky Mog will become just as famous with my help. Doomsday fuels
Well, I can tell you from my experience with the manufacture of biodiesel that it does have a substantial amount of work and chemical input required to produce it. It requires waste oil/fat, methanol, a lye, a strong acid (e.g. Sulfuric acid), and a good mixing, washing and dewatering process to create a useable batch. However, the answer will not be to use wood gasification because the wood resources that we have now will not be able to sustain the world's population for basic cooking and heating needs much less for transportation.
One of my solutions would be to use just filtered waste vegetable oil or waste animal fats. Do what whey did in the second season of Discovery's The Colony and use it to run a Diesel engine. Obviously, if I were to have a choice of vehicle that would burn WVO I would choose a multifuel vehicle just from a flexibility perspective and the fact that it was made out-of-the-box ready to burn fuels like that and therefore has an extensive fuel filtration system. Another solution would be to take that same multifuel vehicle and burn filtered motor oil. With so many cars dead and unusable, the engine oil would be doing nothing but sitting there and it would be a great supply for fuel in the shorter-term (up to a year).
Edit:couldn't get the post to quote the previous post regarding the fuel, so I changed the title.
Well, I can tell you from my experience with the manufacture of biodiesel that it does have a substantial amount of work and chemical input required to produce it. It requires waste oil/fat, methanol, a lye, a strong acid (e.g. Sulfuric acid), and a good mixing, washing and dewatering process to create a useable batch. However, the answer will not be to use wood gasification because the wood resources that we have now will not be able to sustain the world's population for basic cooking and heating needs much less for transportation.
One of my solutions would be to use just filtered waste vegetable oil or waste animal fats. Do what whey did in the second season of Discovery's The Colony and use it to run a Diesel engine. Obviously, if I were to have a choice of vehicle that would burn WVO I would choose a multifuel vehicle just from a flexibility perspective and the fact that it was made out-of-the-box ready to burn fuels like that and therefore has an extensive fuel filtration system. Another solution would be to take that same multifuel vehicle and burn filtered motor oil. With so many cars dead and unusable, the engine oil would be doing nothing but sitting there and it would be a great supply for fuel in the shorter-term (up to a year).
Edit:couldn't get the post to quote the previous post regarding the fuel, so I changed the title.