MarcusBrody
Active member
Has anyone seen the rear cargo volume yet?
INEOS Grenadier
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@ABBB having see it in person I think 35s should go on pretty easy with a minor 2” lift. The guys from Ineos also alluded to that during the prototype tour. However, I think the spare carrying a 35 will be a tight squeeze or probably not possible. With the 265/70 mounted there is maybe 2” of clearance for the small door to open. So with a 35” tire at the spare location the additional 2” might just clear the small door to open. I shot this on video with my fingers showing the clearance. You can take a look here:
It’s pretty decent. I can easily see 2 peoples camping/ touring needs being swallowed. I do t like how the rear wheel wells jut into the storage space. It could be streamlined more to maximize drawer buildouts.
See this video..it kinda shows the space.
I also measured the interiors when I saw it in person and detailed my findings in this thread: https://www.theineosforum.com/post/...lkthrough-in-san-francisco-12245392?&trail=50
TLDR:
- Some interior dimensions (which were important for me for building a sleeping platform)
- Height from cargo floor to ceiling: 42"
- Width of the cargo area: 42" (at the marrowest between wheel arches), 58" (at the upper plastic area below the window), 64" (gullwing to gullwing)
- From the back of the first row of seats to the inside of the rear door ~68"
ABBB
Well-known member
I hope you’re right about it fitting! Both mounted with a minor lift and the spare on the rear door. A spare 35 without a home creates one hell of a problem and greatly diminishes the appeal of this vehicle to me.
catmann
Active member
Not sure if this was posted earlier in this thread, but prototype production is underway.
www.coventrytelegraph.net
www.coventrytelegraph.net
Inside the Grenadier factory as Defender rival gears-up for production
Ineos Grenadier prototype vehicles have begun rolling off the production line
www.coventrytelegraph.net
The Ineos Automotive factory in Hambach
www.coventrytelegraph.net
Paddler Ed
Adventurer
Some feedback on a prototype, tested in a bit of dirt by PistonHeads:
www.pistonheads.com
Commentary in there on the simplicity of the Grenadier, and the proper low range box.
And some from Autocar as well (who are normally quite pro-Land Rover)
www.autocar.co.uk
INEOS Grenadier prototype | PH Review
Is this the true Defender of the faith or has INEOS bitten off more than it can chew?
www.pistonheads.com
Commentary in there on the simplicity of the Grenadier, and the proper low range box.
And some from Autocar as well (who are normally quite pro-Land Rover)
Ineos Grenadier video review: Spiritual Land Rover Defender successor driven off-road | Autocar
We get behind the wheel of the upcoming 4x4 to see how it handles the rough stuff
AbleGuy
Officious Intermeddler
A bit more reading on this beast for you drooling, wealthy Grenadier aficionados!
JackW
Explorer
Saw an article today that said the diesel version is now "unlikely" for the US market. I sort of had the feeling that meeting the ever tightening US diesel regulations (thank you California) would kill the diesel version here. With the limited capacity fuel tank, range would become an issue in some parts of the west. The video above pointed out some disappointing faults with the design as well - locating the battery under the rear seat (that doesn't fold flat) and the mounts for the rear trailing arms that hang so low off the frame.
I really like the new 110 more every day and I'm glad I got the 4 cylinder version. It's got enough power that I think the 250 HP four cylinder diesel available In other parts of the world would be sufficient for my needs.
I really like the new 110 more every day and I'm glad I got the 4 cylinder version. It's got enough power that I think the 250 HP four cylinder diesel available In other parts of the world would be sufficient for my needs.
So let me proffer my 2 cents here on some of the points made in the video based on seeing the Grenadier in flesh and talking to the Ineos North Americas leadership
1. You are right on the diesel. It isn’t gonna be sold with a diesel power plant in the North America. Mainly driven by diesel gate and BMW pulling all Diesel engines from USA and therefore erasing all EPA/ DOT certification for said motor. Ineos did indicate that we could get a diesel in a future variant of the Grenadier if a different engine is sourced. I wouldn’t hold my breath on that.
2. As a diesel truck owner I don’t mind a gas engine. They are simpler without all the DEF and EGR complexities. We love to romanticize diesels in the US because simple diesels like the 1HD or OM606T are unobtanium. But the BMW diesel is anything but a simple engine. So I’d take the tried and tested gas
3. The fuel range is going to be poor. But I believe Ineos already are in chat/ sharing plans with LRA or Brown Davis to make an aftermarket aux tank. Without that the Grenadier will flop in Australia even with a Diesel engine
4. I too had misgivings about the low looking trailing arm mounts. But when I saw it in person and measured them, they are 10.5” off the ground and very stoutly protected. I’d be more worried about the front bash plate not extending enough to protect the steering rods. I gave this feedback to the Ineos team.
5. The battery location under the rear seat is for the optional aux battery and the associated fuse boxes and optional inverters. The main battery, according to what was told to us, will be under the hood. Secondly I measured it and looks like the battery is just below the line of the cargo floor. So in theory for a full build out you could ditch the second row of seats, put a goose gear plate and bobs your uncle for any build out.
While I am very excited about the Grenadier I am not completely seeing it with a rose tinted glasses. What I didn’t like about the Grenadier..
1. The interior space isn’t commiserate with the exterior size. It feels way more spacious than a D110 or Jeep but it isn’t LC200 levels of spaciousness. If you are coming from a truck like the Tundra or Ram1500 it’ll feel claustrophobic. The interior panels are still not finalized so I hope Ineos will take our feedback to trim it and make it feel spacious
2. The mechanicals feel over built (I’ve heard people say it feels like a 1 ton truck mechanicals in a compact SUV) but the packaging decisions don’t feel fully fleshed out. Ex: what’s happening in the space where the AdBlue talks go in the diesel version? There is space for at least another 5-6 gallons of fluids
3. I am not fully sold on their current design of the cargo area. The wheel wells eat too much in to the space. Hopefully that can be remedied in the final draft. The floor to ceiling height in the cargo area is not as good I’d imagined
4. I know this has been said many times but that BMW Engine. I know the new Supra has it and that it’s a tried and tested engine etc. but it’s one of those irrational things in my head that I just don’t like BMW cars for long term reliability. Mind you I love their bikes
T-Willy
Well-known member
Cool render. That's the dream list:
- rigid axles
- high-payload
- triple-locked
- medium-sized
- pop-top
- wagon
- on steelies, and
- all brand-new
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stickshifter
Member
So let me proffer my 2 cents here on some of the points made in the video based on seeing the Grenadier in flesh and talking to the Ineos North Americas leadership
1. You are right on the diesel. It isn’t gonna be sold with a diesel power plant in the North America. Mainly driven by diesel gate and BMW pulling all Diesel engines from USA and therefore erasing all EPA/ DOT certification for said motor. Ineos did indicate that we could get a diesel in a future variant of the Grenadier if a different engine is sourced. I wouldn’t hold my breath on that.
2. As a diesel truck owner I don’t mind a gas engine. They are simpler without all the DEF and EGR complexities. We love to romanticize diesels in the US because simple diesels like the 1HD or OM606T are unobtanium. But the BMW diesel is anything but a simple engine. So I’d take the tried and tested gas
3. The fuel range is going to be poor. But I believe Ineos already are in chat/ sharing plans with LRA or Brown Davis to make an aftermarket aux tank. Without that the Grenadier will flop in Australia even with a Diesel engine
4. I too had misgivings about the low looking trailing arm mounts. But when I saw it in person and measured them, they are 10.5” off the ground and very stoutly protected. I’d be more worried about the front bash plate not extending enough to protect the steering rods. I gave this feedback to the Ineos team.
5. The battery location under the rear seat is for the optional aux battery and the associated fuse boxes and optional inverters. The main battery, according to what was told to us, will be under the hood. Secondly I measured it and looks like the battery is just below the line of the cargo floor. So in theory for a full build out you could ditch the second row of seats, put a goose gear plate and bobs your uncle for any build out.
While I am very excited about the Grenadier I am not completely seeing it with a rose tinted glasses. What I didn’t like about the Grenadier..
1. The interior space isn’t commiserate with the exterior size. It feels way more spacious than a D110 or Jeep but it isn’t LC200 levels of spaciousness. If you are coming from a truck like the Tundra or Ram1500 it’ll feel claustrophobic. The interior panels are still not finalized so I hope Ineos will take our feedback to trim it and make it feel spacious
2. The mechanicals feel over built (I’ve heard people say it feels like a 1 ton truck mechanicals in a compact SUV) but the packaging decisions don’t feel fully fleshed out. Ex: what’s happening in the space where the AdBlue talks go in the diesel version? There is space for at least another 5-6 gallons of fluids
3. I am not fully sold on their current design of the cargo area. The wheel wells eat too much in to the space. Hopefully that can be remedied in the final draft. The floor to ceiling height in the cargo area is not as good I’d imagined
4. I know this has been said many times but that BMW Engine. I know the new Supra has it and that it’s a tried and tested engine etc. but it’s one of those irrational things in my head that I just don’t like BMW cars for long term reliability. Mind you I love their bikes
I'm also really excited about the Grenadier - for the same reasons as everyone else. It is looking like Ineos has designed a vehicle that is nearly perfect. But I also share Paachi's concerns (quoted above). From photos, it sometimes seems that the ground clearance looks a little low, so its good to hear from folks like Beowulf that its better in person. The B58 has some known issues, but BMW mechanics consider it reliable. However, I still can't imagine it to be one of those engines that just goes forever. Last week I ran into someone with a 1997 (gas-powered) Landcruiser with 450,000 miles on the odometer; hard to imagine the B58 lasting that long. But in addition to concerns around longevity, the engine also seems under-powered for a vehicle of this weight, and price. I'm basing that on the numbers published (281 HP, 332 lb-ft), but I recognize that the power will kick in at low rpms thanks to the turbos - so this vehicle will drive much better than if it had the same max power specs from a naturally aspirated V6. But still, for $75,000 I expect a little more power, and an engine better-matched to the beefy components it is driving (in terms of longevity). Just for a power comparison, the 2.7 Ecoboost in the Bronco makes 315 hp, and 410 lb-ft of torque.
I'm also a bit disappointed that Ineos won't offer a larger tire from the factory. At this price-point, I don't want to mess with an after-market lift, worries about rubbing, re-gearing, or concerns about where to put the spare. Just for comparison, you can get a Wrangler or Bronco on tires from 31-35 inches, each appropriately geared, and each capable of carrying a full-size spare (and soon you can get the Bronco on 37s, which is insane).
I'm not suggesting that the Wrangler and Bronco are "better" vehicles - not at all - but I do think Ineos should be taking note that the Bronco's engine and tire options are proving really popular. But I am not cancelling my Grenadier reservation!
ABBB
Well-known member
You’re certain they won’t be offering anything larger than the 31” tires from the factory? I hadn’t heard confirmation of that anywhere. I also haven’t heard that the vehicle is/is not built to easily accommodate the addition of 33s or 35s, a lift, secondary OEM flares to make room for larger tires. I will be disappointed too if at least the latter isn’t true.